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(July 31, 2013 at 7:56 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(July 31, 2013 at 5:56 pm)Koolay Wrote: If you think about government/socialism, it is simply psychopathic.

The idea is that it is 'unfair' for people to own more resources than others, the 'solution' is to initiate force against them to take the resources. If you apply this principle to anything else, it becomes downright evil.

Someone is more athletic than the average person
> It is unfair to be more athletic than the majority, let's break some of his/her limbs depending on how fit he is to make things equal.

Someone is more physically attractive than the majority
> It is unfair for people to be more attractive than the majority, so let's disfigure his face/body to make things equal.

Someone is a better piano player than the majority of people.
> Let's break his/her fingers to make things more equal.

Someone has a higher IQ than the majority of people.
> Let's give him a blows to the head to make things equal.

Someone has more wealth than the majority
> Let's take half of his money and threaten to throw him in a cage and confiscate his possessions at gun point if he doesn't pay up.

You see how absolutely evil and absurd all of this is? Sure it is unfair, but so what? that is no excuse for aggression.

'Equality' and 'Fairness' just seems to be made up words to falsely justify violence against others to appease the narcissism of the masses.

Discuss.

I don't think you're an idiot exactly but you have HUUUUGE flaws in you're logic, massive gaps in the way you're logic works.

Now I'm not saying taking peoples possessions because they own more is right but there's a huge difference between harming someone physically because they have good genetics and the fair distribution of material goods.

The main and very obvious difference is that material goods CAN be distributed fairly with an advantage to everyone who doesn't have very much and without much of a disadvantage to the person who did have an unfair amount.

Genetic biological superiority isn't something that can be shared by two living people in this sense, in the sense if I have good eye sight and you have bad eye sight I can't give you a bit of my eye sight to make it better, you taking my eye sight to make things equal would be purely negative, where as equal sharing isn't negative.

So what? So if I cut off a hair models hair it becomes wrong? but if I use it for a hair transplant it becomes good?

It's just stealing, and it is wrong. It's not sharing, that would imply voluntarism.

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(July 31, 2013 at 11:56 pm)PeterPriesthood Wrote: Government may be manmade, but it's necessary. Government isn't evil, but the men running it can be. Revolutions take care of these evil men (or in some cases evil men rise up to power), and this is simply how we operate in this world. If we got rid of government, the world would fall to shambles, for government is the foundation of civilization, and how can we be civilized without it?

Government is contradictory and evil by definition, it oppresses the people and takes away their freedom since it breaks the non aggression principle.

People have always justified evil things by calling it 'a necessary evil'

"Slavery is not perfect, but it's the best we have"

"Monarchy is not perfect, but it's the best we have"

Socialism/Government is just another phase of humanity's primitive past, you will do well to stop colluding with evil. History will remember you as some spineless peon that willingly wiped the boots of his master.

(July 31, 2013 at 5:56 pm)Koolay Wrote: If you think about government/socialism, it is simply psychopathic.

The idea is that it is 'unfair' for people to own more resources than others, the 'solution' is to initiate force against them to take the resources. If you apply this principle to anything else, it becomes downright evil.

Stopped reading there. This is bollocks, and I'm not even a 'socialist'. What about socialism indicates that it is 'unfair' for people to own more resources than others? Are you talking about de facto Communism instead?
You see, in political science, there's thing called a 'spectrum', where different views of political philosophy can be combined and synthesised to forming new thoughts and new ways of doing things.

You've heard 'mixed economy' yes? That evil phrase that actually seeks, at its heart, to utilise the beneficial formats of all wings to compensate for the negative? You like business (apparently), so equate it to having a mixed investment portfolio. You have investments in various pools to ensure gains offset losses, preferably so that one gains more than one looses. In a very simple way, this is exactly that a mixed economy attempts to conform to. Is it perfect? Nope. Is it an example of "THE GUVMENT TRIN' TO STEAL YO RESOURCEZ!!!"!!"111! - Nope. It's part of the evolutionary process of political paradigms.

In short, stop posting shit.

(August 1, 2013 at 4:35 am)Koolay Wrote: So what? So if I cut off a hair models hair it becomes wrong? but if I use it for a hair transplant it becomes good?

It's just stealing, and it is wrong. It's not sharing, that would imply voluntarism.

DAFUQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How deep in your ass did you have to look for that idiotic comparison!?

What goverment does with taxmoney is supposed to be benefitial for the society: inferstructure, social security, defense and others.

Your comparison would emply that a goverment uses taxmoney to build private palaces and to generaly create private wealth for the members of goverment - and that is simply an outright lie because that only happens in places like Russia but not in a modern western democracy.

Quote:Government is contradictory and evil by definition, it oppresses the people and takes away their freedom since it breaks the non aggression principle.

Bullshit.

Goverment here is elected by the people for the people and if no longer supported by the people it is no longer reelected.

You behave as if every single nation on this planet was an unelected dictatorship!

Quote:People have always justified evil things by calling it 'a necessary evil'

"Slavery is not perfect, but it's the best we have"

Clearly you are one of the worst possible existing morons!

Slavery was justified through racism and the motor which kept slavery going for such a long time was the private economy.

Quote:"Monarchy is not perfect, but it's the best we have"

Dafuq are you talking about?!?!!!

Countries still have monarchies today!

Quote:Socialism/Government is just another phase of humanity's primitive past, you will do well to stop colluding with evil.

You have not proven how goverment is in general always socialism.
You have not proven how either of both are in any way evil.
You have not defined your definition of the word evil

Yet you behave as if those things were unquestionable and clear to everyone here without the need of explaining why!

Pull your head out of your ass!!!!

Quote: History will remember you as some spineless peon that willingly wiped the boots of his master.

What the fuck gives you the supreme authority to judge over how the course of history will be going and how people will be remembered in it?!!!

Explain!

Quote:So what? So if I cut off a hair models hair it becomes wrong? but if I use it for a hair transplant it becomes good?

It's just stealing, and it is wrong. It's not sharing, that would imply voluntarism.

I already said I'm not saying what's right or wrong but the comparison you're giving isn't similar because hair transplants aren't life saving operations.

Sharing money could mean the difference between 1 rich man plus 100 poor uneducated people dying in their own shit, and 101 people living comfortably.

But a hair transplant wouldn't make that sort of a difference on the world, at the most it would mean some guy who used to be bald now has a daft haircut that doesn't suit him or at best someone says "hey nice hair" when they look at him.

Your other examples also aren't as important as sharing food and money. But I'm also not saying sharing food and money is always right but I'm certain it's more right than cutting someones legs off because you don't have legs or something stupid like that.

Curiosity got the better of me. Just another kool-aid rant. The thing about this guy is all the ugliness of his political views is right there on the surface and remorseless. There are many more who have learned to blend in better but essentially feel and think the way he does.

(August 1, 2013 at 9:22 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Countries still have monarchies today!

Anybody want ours? Gawd knows we're caertainly not using it.

He compared slavery to government. I'm out.

I only have one thing to add to this thread....

To me, it seems this guy is strawmanning the libertarian position, think poe regarding political stances. You know me, I'm russian, so in soviet russia, no government is evil.