(September 4, 2013 at 3:34 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Actually his main experience is having been locked up in a box.

I think he's nuts. But then, this shithole of a state is run by republicunts and none of them are worth a fuck.

John McCain is the son of a 4 star Admiral and the grandson of another 4 star Admiral. Both of his flag ranked ancesters were amongst the most distinguished naval officers of their time, and each achieved the pinnacle of naval careers and were entrusted with high command and responsibility for whole US fleets in times of war.

John McCain himself, on the other hand, graduated 894th out of class of 899 at Annapolis. The most John McCain was ever trusted to command was a aircraft training squadron. While he was assigned as navy liason to congress he made good use of his time by divorcing his crippled wife in order to marry conservative Beer Heiress Carol Hensley. He retired from the Navy as a mere Captain in 1981 because he was not considered admiral material and was informed that he had little prospect for further promotion.

I think in the twilight of his life John McCain is haunted by the fact that his war related career achievement fell so far short of those of his father and grand father. If he can't be be judged competent to lead American forces in a war, by god he would use political means to lead American forces into a war to compensate.

Actually if you look at the last few presidential elections (since George H.W. Bush), war veterans tend to do very poorly against those who didn't serve or else served but didn't go to war.

1992 Bush vs. Clinton - George Bush Sr., WWII fighter pilot, lost vs. Bill Clinton the draft dodger.
1996 Clinton vs. Dole - Bob Dole, WWII vet, lost big time
2000 Gore vs. Bush - Bush, while he had "military experience" never went to war, was AWOL part of the time, and since served in the National Guard as opposed to going to Viet Nam, could be considered a draft dodger. Gore served in Viet Nam.
2004 Bush vs. Kerry - Kerry, another Viet Nam veteran, lost to Bush who never served there.
2008 McCain vs. Obama - McCain, the Viet Nam war vet famous for his stay in the Hanoi Hilton, lost to Obama who never served in the military
2012 Obama vs. Romney - Neither served in the military, so is a push.

Seems like being a war hero doesn't carry the weight in politics that it used to 50 years ago.

Bob Dole would be thrown out of today's republicunt party on his ear.

(September 4, 2013 at 5:13 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Actually if you look at the last few presidential elections (since George H.W. Bush), war veterans tend to do very poorly against those who didn't serve or else served but didn't go to war.

1992 Bush vs. Clinton - George Bush Sr., WWII fighter pilot, lost vs. Bill Clinton the draft dodger.
1996 Clinton vs. Dole - Bob Dole, WWII vet, lost big time
2000 Gore vs. Bush - Bush, while he had "military experience" never went to war, was AWOL part of the time, and since served in the National Guard as opposed to going to Viet Nam, could be considered a draft dodger. Gore served in Viet Nam.
2004 Bush vs. Kerry - Kerry, another Viet Nam veteran, lost to Bush who never served there.
2008 McCain vs. Obama - McCain, the Viet Nam war vet famous for his stay in the Hanoi Hilton, lost to Obama who never served in the military
2012 Obama vs. Romney - Neither served in the military, so is a push.

Seems like being a war hero doesn't carry the weight in politics that it used to 50 years ago.

That's because Dole is too old and every war since WWII hasn't been very heroic despite all the strained hype.

(September 4, 2013 at 5:13 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Actually if you look at the last few presidential elections (since George H.W. Bush), war veterans tend to do very poorly against those who didn't serve or else served but didn't go to war.

1992 Bush vs. Clinton - George Bush Sr., WWII fighter pilot, lost vs. Bill Clinton the draft dodger.
1996 Clinton vs. Dole - Bob Dole, WWII vet, lost big time
2000 Gore vs. Bush - Bush, while he had "military experience" never went to war, was AWOL part of the time, and since served in the National Guard as opposed to going to Viet Nam, could be considered a draft dodger. Gore served in Viet Nam.
2004 Bush vs. Kerry - Kerry, another Viet Nam veteran, lost to Bush who never served there.
2008 McCain vs. Obama - McCain, the Viet Nam war vet famous for his stay in the Hanoi Hilton, lost to Obama who never served in the military
2012 Obama vs. Romney - Neither served in the military, so is a push.

Seems like being a war hero doesn't carry the weight in politics that it used to 50 years ago.

You I've never really made that connection. I think our morality has advanced and we just don't see dropping bombs on civilians as heroic anymore.

Good job Min. Obama is the one who's pushing for war, but let's focus on McCain.

Buzz off.

Obama wants to waste a few missiles. McSame thinks he wants to re-do Iraq.

He's a senile old fuck. What's your excuse?

Obama apparently is not the only one.

(September 4, 2013 at 9:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Buzz off.

Obama wants to waste a few missiles. McSame thinks he wants to re-do Iraq.

He's a senile old fuck. What's your excuse?

What's your excuse for not criticizing Obama? If that was McCain, would you also say that he wants to "waste a few missiles"? Hell no. Obama's pushing for war in Syria and arming Al Qaeda (oh, I'm sorry they are rebels).

I am criticizing Obama, dummy. What do you think "waste a few missiles" means?

Here's an example of what McSame and the rest of the neo-con shits are supporting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/...=5043&_r=0

Yeah...I sure as fuck want to see these guys win.


Of course, there is always the Daily Show version.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-se...a-jamboree