(September 18, 2013 at 2:34 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 18, 2013 at 9:28 am)Waratah Wrote: I will highlight the parts for you that tells you what you have to do to receive, not to find or open a door.

5 And He said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’? 8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs. 9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread[d] from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

So as you can see you only have to ask to receive. You do not need to seek or knock to receive. So I say again the above is bullshit because I asked and did not receive.

you are cherry picking. In the context of the story the persistant neighbor did not stop at asking. It was a 3 fold effort that yielded results, or does that not matter because you highlighted bits of the story and pasted them together to make a new story?

Again if you want to test or take God up on His promise then you have to follow the instructions as written. In the Story Jesus told the neighbor Asked, Sought and Knocked. He did not just Ask. Matter of fact in the story when the neighbor asked he was told to piss off.

How do you reconcile that with your account of this parable?

First off I highlighted to clearly show that the only qualifier to receive is to ask.

In the story it does not say anything about seeking. There is no seeking, he knows where his friend is and that he has loaves. Please tell me where is the seeking in the story?

There is no knocking in the story to receive. In the story the only reason he received is because he kept on asking, no seeking or knocking. Please show me the knocking to receive in the story?

The one thing that I will admit is the persistent part I missed so I asked all night still nothing. So the above is still bullshit.

(September 18, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 18, 2013 at 2:57 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Drich... how did people find your god before someone outlined it in Luke ??:??

Seriously?

Maybe you want to take a few more minutes and think about who is talking and when.

The person "speaking" is the person who wrote "luke," whoever that may have been. He was not there. Never claims to be there. This is simply a standard technique of ancient writers to have their characters speak the words they want them to speak.

The sooner you learn this the less stupid you will appear.

(September 18, 2013 at 6:32 pm)Waratah Wrote: In the story it does not say anything about seeking. There is no seeking, he knows where his friend is and that he has loaves. Please tell me where is the seeking in the story?

in the story seeking takes place the moment the persistent neighbor left the house. For he could not be in a position to ask if he did not first seek the bread and leave his own house.

Quote:There is no knocking in the story to receive. In the story the only reason he received is because he kept on asking, no seeking or knocking. Please show me the knocking to receive in the story?

knocking as described by Christ is the repetive nature of the asking, and the fact this man remained at his neighbors door step asking/petitioning his neighbor for the bread he desperately needed.

Quote:The one thing that I will admit is the persistent part I missed so I asked all night still nothing. So the above is still bullshit.

Again the neighbor in the story did not stop a/s/k till he got what he was looking for. If you stopped before you got what you were looking for then you did not follow the directions in luke 11.

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(September 18, 2013 at 4:10 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 18, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Jesus is speaking throughout Luke 11. Before Jesus one was born into Favor of God. No one came to the Father.

So.... people couldn't come to believe? They were either born believing in god_A, or god_B, or...., or nothing... is that it?

Before Christ one was born a Jew (chosen one) or one wasn't.

(September 18, 2013 at 10:26 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 18, 2013 at 6:32 pm)Waratah Wrote: In the story it does not say anything about seeking. There is no seeking, he knows where his friend is and that he has loaves. Please tell me where is the seeking in the story?

in the story seeking takes place the moment the persistent neighbor left the house. For he could not be in a position to ask if he did not first seek the bread and leave his own house.

Quote:There is no knocking in the story to receive. In the story the only reason he received is because he kept on asking, no seeking or knocking. Please show me the knocking to receive in the story?

knocking as described by Christ is the repetive nature of the asking, and the fact this man remained at his neighbors door step asking/petitioning his neighbor for the bread he desperately needed.

Quote:The one thing that I will admit is the persistent part I missed so I asked all night still nothing. So the above is still bullshit.

Again the neighbor in the story did not stop a/s/k till he got what he was looking for. If you stopped before you got what you were looking for then you did not follow the directions in luke 11.

Thank you for showing me your stretching ability. Seek here is used in the context of FINDING(not getting). In the parable he is not finding, so leaving the house is not seeking in this context. Why are you making the friend a neighbour.

Your knocking reasoning is one stretch too far. Fuck me dead, way too far. hock: Again the neighbour instead of the friend. Any reason or is it just what you see.

The only reason the friend gave for not lending the loaves was due to him lying down and will not rise to give him the loaves. Therefore there is a time limit of one night(at least until he rises). I did follow the instructions. I asked all night and god did not give. As I said the above is bullshit.

(September 18, 2013 at 10:26 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 18, 2013 at 4:10 pm)pocaracas Wrote: So.... people couldn't come to believe? They were either born believing in god_A, or god_B, or...., or nothing... is that it?

Before Christ one was born a Jew (chosen one) or one wasn't.

So it wasn't possible for one person to be born "not jew" and become jew?

(September 19, 2013 at 4:18 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 18, 2013 at 10:26 pm)Drich Wrote: Before Christ one was born a Jew (chosen one) or one wasn't.

So it wasn't possible for one person to be born "not jew" and become jew?

Technically yes. One could become a Jew, but that did not make him one of the chosen/Member of the tribe so to speak.

(September 19, 2013 at 2:49 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 19, 2013 at 4:18 am)pocaracas Wrote: So it wasn't possible for one person to be born "not jew" and become jew?

Technically yes. One could become a Jew, but that did not make him one of the chosen/Member of the tribe so to speak.

So let me get this straight ...

Nearly every tribe of people on the planet has a god or gods. So obviously, the Hebrews had one too ... and what a coincidence, THEY happened to be the "chosen people." In fact, not only did they happen to be god's chosen people (for some unknown reason the creator of everything in the universe liked their DNA a little bit more than everyone elses), but they took it upon themselves to kill men women and children of other nations who didn't happen to share their opinions. Oh, and where did they get their opinions? From their parents - who got their opinions of THEIR god from crazy uneducated dead people who wrote down that quote, "GOD LIKES US BEST."


Tell me, do you like the smell up there inside your own butt?
How in the holy fucking hell does anyone not see this?? Seriously.

(September 22, 2013 at 4:13 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(September 19, 2013 at 2:49 pm)Drich Wrote: Technically yes. One could become a Jew, but that did not make him one of the chosen/Member of the tribe so to speak.

So let me get this straight ...

Nearly every tribe of people on the planet has a god or gods. So obviously, the Hebrews had one too ... and what a coincidence, THEY happened to be the "chosen people." In fact, not only did they happen to be god's chosen people (for some unknown reason the creator of everything in the universe liked their DNA a little bit more than everyone elses), but they took it upon themselves to kill men women and children of other nations who didn't happen to share their opinions. Oh, and where did they get their opinions? From their parents - who got their opinions of THEIR god from crazy uneducated dead people who wrote down that quote, "GOD LIKES US BEST."


Tell me, do you like the smell up there inside your own butt?
How in the holy fucking hell does anyone not see this?? Seriously.

Funny thing how every people seems to be the chosen people.