(September 22, 2013 at 11:08 am)yoleeena Wrote: Hello? You people believe you popped out of nothing, from nowhere for no reason!!!!
You need to wake up and realise this is a reallllly stupid thing to say
And its not even possible

Hmm...

Argues that atheism isn't logical.

Proceeds to demonstrate zero understanding of what atheism is.

What is the attraction of coming to an atheist forum and acting this way? Is it to shore up your own faith by proselytizing and attacking the other?

I've never been able to understand this type of behavior. I've been to Christian forums to ask questions, and I politely ask them, politely probe the answers, and then leave. I go there because there's something I don't understand, and members there are usually dying to help the atheist and it ends up being a pretty positive experience, as long as you're respectful of being in someone else's house.

What does everybody think is going on with this sort of thing?

(September 22, 2013 at 9:03 am)yoleeena Wrote: WATCH!!!!!!!!!

no





No fucking way! Because when people open a thread they should give it a fucking title that gives every potential reader an idea of what the thread contains you fucking moron!!!!!!!

Watch my ass!!!! Who the fuck do you think you are to open a thread which tells people what to do! And then to just patheticaly add some stupid line under some idiotic vid that reads "you dont have to watch this".

Nobody! Will ever watch a video that has been posted without an explaination for it`s content in a thread that has such a fucking stupid title!
And certainly no one will ever watch a video by some hipster muslim who mumbles arround some idiotic bullshit with a cocksuckers lisp!

I dont need to give you a single fucking argument for any of the fucking points made in this video, because you were to lazy or retarded to even fucking summerise them here!

So you either summerise the points made and publish them under a title which is less shit and actualy serves the purpose of being informative about the threads content! Or go play ninja in your burka!

When I have built my Reich, the kind of people who open threads like this, will be punished!!!!

The nazi makes perfect sense. :p

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(September 22, 2013 at 12:58 pm)Zazzy Wrote: What does everybody think is going on with this sort of thing?

Allah's zombies lookin' for brains to sacrifice to Allah.

Can I join the party??

(September 22, 2013 at 11:08 am)yoleeena Wrote: I dont think youve watched the video, the poet points out all the faults
0+0 will ALWAYS ALWAYS give you nothing but ZERO, therefore nothing comes from nothing




But you guys dont get it...

I didn't watch it, but I can guess what's in it from all your replies.

0 + 0 = 0, always.... but,... now here's an eye opener, 1-1 = 0, too..... 1E20 - 1E20 = 0
Ever heard of anti-matter?

Ever heard of PET scan? You know what that 'P' stands for?

As for the something from "nothing", here's how the (not so) state of the art quantum theory is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particles

Quote:In physics, a virtual particle is a transient fluctuation that exhibits many of the characteristics of an ordinary particle, but that exists for a limited time. The concept of virtual particles arises in perturbation theory of quantum field theory where interactions between ordinary particles are described in terms of exchanges of virtual particles. Any process involving virtual particles admits a schematic representation known as a Feynman diagram, in which virtual particles are represented by internal lines. [1][2]

Virtual particles do not necessarily carry the same mass as the corresponding real particle, although they always conserve energy and momentum. The longer the virtual particle exists, the closer its characteristics come to those of ordinary particles. Virtual particles may be thought of as arising due to the time-energy uncertainty principle.[3][4] They are important in the physics of many processes, including particle scattering and Casimir forces. In quantum field theory, even classical forces — such as the electromagnetic repulsion or attraction between two charges — can be thought of as due to the exchange of many virtual photons between the charges.

The term is somewhat loose and vaguely defined, in that it refers to the view that the world is made up of "real particles": it is not; rather, "real particles" are better understood to be excitations of the underlying quantum fields. Virtual particles are also excitations of the underlying fields, but are "temporary" in the sense that they appear in calculations of interactions, but never as asymptotic states or indices to the scattering matrix. As such the accuracy and use of virtual particles in calculations is firmly established, but their "reality" or existence is a question of philosophy rather than science.

Antiparticles have been proven to exist and should not be confused with virtual particles or virtual antiparticles.

[...]
Manifestations:
- Coulomb force: caused by the exchange of virtual photons
- magnetic field: caused by the exchange of virtual photons
- Virtual photons are also a major component of antenna near field phenomena and induction fields
- strong nuclear force between quarks is the result of interaction of virtual gluons.
- weak nuclear force - it is the result of exchange by virtual W and Z bosons.
- Casimir effect
- van der Waals force, which is partly due to the Casimir effect between two atoms.
- Vacuum polarization, which involves pair production or the decay of the vacuum, which is the spontaneous production of particle-antiparticle pairs
- Hawking radiation, where the gravitational field is so strong that it causes the spontaneous production of photon pairs (with black body energy distribution) and even of particle pairs.

There you have a bunch of tested (and testable) examples of real phenomena which happens due to the "nothing" which virtual particles are.
Now imagine a particle/anti-particle pair production that happens a lot in a very limited space.... new Universe!
It's a possibility.
We don't know exactly what happened, but it sure seems feasible.

I hate to state the obvious, but all this seems fishy to me. Or trollish. Either way, welcome new customer

(September 22, 2013 at 1:56 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

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Can I join the party??

(September 22, 2013 at 11:08 am)yoleeena Wrote: I dont think youve watched the video, the poet points out all the faults
0+0 will ALWAYS ALWAYS give you nothing but ZERO, therefore nothing comes from nothing




But you guys dont get it...

I didn't watch it, but I can guess what's in it from all your replies.

0 + 0 = 0, always.... but,... now here's an eye opener, 1-1 = 0, too..... 1E20 - 1E20 = 0
Ever heard of anti-matter?

Ever heard of PET scan? You know what that 'P' stands for?

As for the something from "nothing", here's how the (not so) state of the art quantum theory is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particles

Quote:In physics, a virtual particle is a transient fluctuation that exhibits many of the characteristics of an ordinary particle, but that exists for a limited time. The concept of virtual particles arises in perturbation theory of quantum field theory where interactions between ordinary particles are described in terms of exchanges of virtual particles. Any process involving virtual particles admits a schematic representation known as a Feynman diagram, in which virtual particles are represented by internal lines. [1][2]

Virtual particles do not necessarily carry the same mass as the corresponding real particle, although they always conserve energy and momentum. The longer the virtual particle exists, the closer its characteristics come to those of ordinary particles. Virtual particles may be thought of as arising due to the time-energy uncertainty principle.[3][4] They are important in the physics of many processes, including particle scattering and Casimir forces. In quantum field theory, even classical forces — such as the electromagnetic repulsion or attraction between two charges — can be thought of as due to the exchange of many virtual photons between the charges.

The term is somewhat loose and vaguely defined, in that it refers to the view that the world is made up of "real particles": it is not; rather, "real particles" are better understood to be excitations of the underlying quantum fields. Virtual particles are also excitations of the underlying fields, but are "temporary" in the sense that they appear in calculations of interactions, but never as asymptotic states or indices to the scattering matrix. As such the accuracy and use of virtual particles in calculations is firmly established, but their "reality" or existence is a question of philosophy rather than science.

Antiparticles have been proven to exist and should not be confused with virtual particles or virtual antiparticles.

[...]
Manifestations:
- Coulomb force: caused by the exchange of virtual photons
- magnetic field: caused by the exchange of virtual photons
- Virtual photons are also a major component of antenna near field phenomena and induction fields
- strong nuclear force between quarks is the result of interaction of virtual gluons.
- weak nuclear force - it is the result of exchange by virtual W and Z bosons.
- Casimir effect
- van der Waals force, which is partly due to the Casimir effect between two atoms.
- Vacuum polarization, which involves pair production or the decay of the vacuum, which is the spontaneous production of particle-antiparticle pairs
- Hawking radiation, where the gravitational field is so strong that it causes the spontaneous production of photon pairs (with black body energy distribution) and even of particle pairs.

There you have a bunch of tested (and testable) examples of real phenomena which happens due to the "nothing" which virtual particles are.
Now imagine a particle/anti-particle pair production that happens a lot in a very limited space.... new Universe!
It's a possibility.
We don't know exactly what happened, but it sure seems feasible.

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