You may think that. But I happen to think the opposite :p

EvF

Oh come on, it's an exercise in apathy.

Or an exercise in sensitivity to extremely amazingly unbelievable awesomeness

EvF

(January 25, 2010 at 12:22 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Or an exercise in sensitivity to extremely amazingly unbelievable awesomeness

EvF

Analysis of "The tranquiliser"

0:00
High pitched synth keys, mellow mid range, sharp highs. Plays repetitive pattern

0:19 -
Joined by hollow crunching percussion, white noise saw wave, slight pitch modulation. Slight distortion, grain and delay.

0:26 -
White noise hihats, generic pattern, slight L/R echo

0:30 -
Joined by low, loose Saw bass. Two thuds then absence.

0:34 -
Worst sounding electronic bass drum i have heard in a long long time.

0:50 -
Standard grubby sounding square wave bass, climbs and descends mostly in a regular pattern. Range is three tones at best.

1:34 -
Kick drum and percussion removed, synth and bass playing the same pattern

1:38 -
Tubular bells sounding sine wave flute/bell sound, mildly atmospheric, some delay and generic mid-tom drum pattern. Another synth sound, i'm fairly sure it is the same sound as the last section, but an octave higher with a slight decline to click.

1:50 -
Small bursts of percussion and bass, percussion has annoyingly long sustain and release, it has the effect of distorting the otherwise nice atmospheric flute. Flute/Bell has gained a flanger.

2:23 - Cut/fade all sounds except the atmospheric flute/bell synth.

ETC...

It's fairly generic, boring and slow imho. Not the worst music but i find it so hard to give a damn about it.

Anyway, can't just give the criticism, i'll upload some of my electronic stuff later on.

To me it all sounds absolutely amazing. And that's all that matters to me. To me, every single piece of music by other bands and music artists in general that I have heard, sound nothing to me in comparison.

I think it's genius.

(January 25, 2010 at 1:38 pm)theVOID Wrote: Anyway, can't just give the criticism, i'll upload some of my electronic stuff later on.

In your own thread, sure.

P.S: I don't understand how you can so easily do a 'critical analysis' of music, which is emotional - plus the fact that emotions are subjective.

The music is entirely about how it makes me feel, to me. Any so-called 'Critical analysis' of any music I admire completely misses what music is about at least for me. Music isn't 'intellectual' to me, it's emotional. I don't care how clever or smart or difficult to pull off Riff 'X' is, or how supposedly 'intelligent' the song is written... if it sounds like a bunch of crap to me I'll still consider it so. Conversely, I don't care how many people tell me that any of the music I listen to is not difficult or that it's easy to pull off, 'lazy' or 'apathetic', and I don't care how 'basic' or 'simple' certain parts (or even a lot) of the music I listen to is said to be. If It sounds awesome to me, if it makes me feel awesome, then I consider it awesome (at least to me).

See my signature: "But it's not how difficult it is - it's about how entertaining it is." - Paul Hartnoll - Orbital

That's the kind of mindset or attitude I want in my music. It's about the effect not how you create it - for me anyway.

As I said, if a guitarist does a supposed 'amazing' guitar riff (or a pianist plays an 'amazing' piano piece) that's said to be amazing simply because it's difficult. If it sounds like crap to me or not particularly moving in any way then I'm not interested.

I listen to music that I like the sound of and I enjoy listening to, period. That's the End of my analysis.

EvF

Void,

I look forward to hearing your stuff and agree you should start your own thread. Music is a subjective thing though, so I am kind of confused by your attempts to provide evidence to convince Evie that his appreciation of Orbital is missplaced. I don't know much about techno music, but I do know what I like and regardless of whether it conforms to what makes techno, L337, the effect on the listener is a personal experience. I thought you were just winding Evie up, oh wait, maybe you still are...

Rhizo

He can't wind me up, but he can waste my time.

EvF

Your going to tell me your a musician yet you don't get the significance of critical analysis? You probably do it subconsciously without realising it, I try and pay attention to my own analysis, breaking it down lets me appreciate it more, i do that with songs that other people like that i can't get into and often it helps me see what elements it was that were worth mentioning in the first place - It worked for that song, i like it significantly more now after analysing it.

That being said, I find them to be rather boring and lacking finesse. Music for apathetic electroheads.

*disclaimer: This is an opinion, I do not need an essay about how it makes you feel*

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(January 25, 2010 at 1:57 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Void,

I look forward to hearing your stuff and agree you should start your own thread. Music is a subjective thing though, so I am kind of confused by your attempts to provide evidence to convince Evie that his appreciation of Orbital is missplaced. I don't know much about techno music, but I do know what I like and regardless of whether it conforms to what makes techno, L337, the effect on the listener is a personal experience. I thought you were just winding Evie up, oh wait, maybe you still are...

Rhizo

1) Never said i was trying to convince anyone thanks, just airing an opinion, and like all of my opinions, i like to give reasoning for them, which i did.

2) I know music is subjective (no need to state the obvious), and i gave a *wait for it...* subjective analysis of the song and my conclusions. see, i don't just want to like/dislike something, i want to know why i like/dislike it.

I might be a little confused here, but i thought discussion forums were a place for, ya know... all discussion, I must have missed the memo about peoples taste in music being off limits.

You may not need an essay about how I feel about the music. But as far as I'm concerned it's relevant to the music because music is emotional and subjective (and of course, emotions are subjective). What I said was relevant. And your 'critical analysis' on the other hand that you gave me, I consider to be completely pointless. Being a musican and knowing the techniques of how to write and read music is completely different to how it simply sounds to your ear (whether you can write or read music or not), and to how that sound simply makes you feel.

What I said was obvious of course, I like it... just because I like it because music is subjective and that's what I happen to like the sound of! But what you said I consider completely irrelevant altogether. That may be 'reasons' as far as your concerned of why you don't like it, but why should I care? How would I even be swayed by you? How can you call it 'critical' when it only applies to yourself and not me? Are you talking to yourself here? Or if you are responding to me then I don't see the point you see.

Neither of the Orbital brothers even call themselves musicians so it makes even less sense to analyse their music that way. It's entirely about how it sounds to the listener.

I went on my subjective emotional rant because I was just really perplexed by your need to make a 'critical analysis' which is just white noise to me. What's that got to do with how it sounds to you and how it makes you feel?

(January 25, 2010 at 2:06 pm)theVOID Wrote: I might be a little confused here, but i thought discussion forums were a place for, ya know... all discussion, I must have missed the memo about peoples taste in music being off limits.

Of course it's not off limits. Please do continue if you so wish.

I understand that you understand that music is subjective, but then if that's the case why do you need to give your 'reasons' to other people when that cannot effect them if things sound different and feel different to them? It makes absolutely no sense to me but do as you will.

EvF

(January 25, 2010 at 2:36 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: You may not need an essay about how I feel about the music. But as far as I'm concerned it's relevant to the music because music is emotional and subjective (and of course, emotions are subjective). What I said was relevant. And your 'critical analysis' on the other hand that you gave me, I consider to be completely pointless. Being a musican and knowing the techniques of how to write and read music is completely different to how it simply sounds to your ear (whether you can write or read music or not), and to how that sound simply makes you feel.

1) I already know you like the music, you don't need to explain it

2) My analysis was not for anyone, you included, it's just what i like to do with music that i don't appreciate, and if anything, it makes it more profound when you understand all the parts and how they come together.

Quote:What I said was obvious of course, I like it... just because I like it because music is subjective and that's what I happen to like the sound of! But what you said I consider completely irrelevant altogether. That may be 'reasons' as far as your concerned of why you don't like it, but why should I care? How would I even be swayed by you? How can you call it 'critical' when it only applies to yourself and not me? Are you talking to yourself here? Or if you are responding to me then I don't see the point you see.

It was not intended to convince anyone of anything, i've already said this twice but you keep bringing it up.

And critical analysis is quantifying the parts of the music, it is a common technique. It does not just apply to me, it's not subjective, it is an analysis of what is happening in the music and when, it gives the piece shape and context. If you feel my analysis was wrong then find the part where i incorrectly quantified it and if you can prove i was wrong i will retract it. Again, critical analysis of music is not subjective, it is the process of identifying the progression of the elements in the music and the interactions between them. My conclusion from the analysis is subjective, but i've already stated that in this thread, so i really fail to see what your problem is.

Quote: Neither of the Orbital brothers even call themselves musicians so it makes even less sense to analyse their music that way. It's entirely about how it sounds to the listener.

Ok now that is something that is not subjective in any way. They are musicians, they make and perform music. It doesn't matter what they want to call themselves, they do not get to change the English language just to suit themselves.

Quote:I went on my subjective emotional rant because I was just really perplexed by your need to make a 'critical analysis' which is just white noise to me. What's that got to do with how it sounds to you and how it makes you feel?

FFS evie, I have already explained this, why i like to analyse music i'm not familiar with, it seems to me you aren't even reading my posts, you're just on a girlish little rant. Enjoy yourself.

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(January 25, 2010 at 2:06 pm)theVOID Wrote: I might be a little confused here, but i thought discussion forums were a place for, ya know... all discussion, I must have missed the memo about peoples taste in music being off limits.

Of course it's not off limits. Please do continue if you so wish.

I understand that you understand that music is subjective, but then if that's the case why do you need to give your 'reasons' to other people when that cannot effect them if things sound different and feel different to them? It makes absolutely no sense to me but do as you will.

EvF

I mostly dislike Orbital and gave reasoning for why based on an analysis, that being the progression and combinations of elements in their music does not appeal to me as a whole. I really don't care if you want to know why i dislike it or not, but i like to give reasons for why i came to my conclusion, so i did.

For the last time, i was not trying to convince anyone of anything, i analysed the music for my own benefit, so i could understand something about it beyond just listening to it once and making up my mind. I decided to write it down on the off chance anyone was interested in knowing a bit about the structure of the song or why i disliked it.

Now, if you don't mind, i am rather sick of repeating myself all because you came to an erroneous conclusion about my intentions.