(October 10, 2013 at 8:43 am)daandaan Wrote: will the religious finally answer us and prove their religion right by showing us their transitional apostles ??

Oh, sure. Trot out that old atheist of the gaps argument.

Let's hear from Thomas Jefferson on your fucking religion:

Quote:"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been
burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this
coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

Xtians gave us the Divine Right of Kings....( your boy was made to say "render unto Caesar") whereas the Enlightenment gave us the Declaration of the Rights of Man. I'll go with the latter and you can blow fucking jesus out your ass.

"and you can blow fucking jesus out your ass."

I'm not sure its possible to do all three of those at the same time.

(October 10, 2013 at 10:43 am)Minimalist Wrote: Xtians gave us the Divine Right of Kings....

Kings and emperors always claimed to have some kind of supernatural authority or kinship to some kind of god.

(October 10, 2013 at 10:49 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 10:43 am)Minimalist Wrote: Xtians gave us the Divine Right of Kings....

Kings and emperors always claimed to have some kind of supernatural authority or kinship to some kind of god.

There's God again - always matching the lowest common denominator.

(October 10, 2013 at 9:08 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 8:57 am)daandaan Wrote: nope it didnt ..

It most certainly did, Aristotle, Plato and much else of classical thought that was seen to be compatible with the Christian God.

Quote:and jeebus never critisised anything becouse he never existed.

We have as much evidence for his existence as many other historical people we take as having existed. The real question is his divinity and relationship to God not his existence.

like no one of contemporary writers wrote about a zombie walking trough town ?? or the eart shaking and darkness and thunderstorms out of no where when he died??

would really have been something to write about in those day , dont u think??

(October 10, 2013 at 10:50 am)max-greece Wrote: There's God again - always matching the lowest common denominator.

It would something more to do with humans and how they make the most impression of power on their subjects not God. You have for instance the Egyptian Pharaohs gods incarnate.

(October 10, 2013 at 10:52 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 10:50 am)max-greece Wrote: There's God again - always matching the lowest common denominator.

It would something more to do with humans and how they make the most impression of power on their subjects not God. You have for instance the Egyptian Pharaohs gods incarnate.

So God made not a single improvement on the minds of men- who do exactly the same thing whether they believe in him or in something else.

Really nailing that lowest common denominator thing.

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It most certainly did, Aristotle, Plato and much else of classical thought that was seen to be compatible with the Christian God.``




non of what so ever ...they where intellectals , kristians r not.

(October 10, 2013 at 10:52 am)daandaan Wrote: like no one of contemporary writers wrote about a zombie walking trough town ?? or the eart shaking and darkness and thunderstorms out of no where when he died??

He wasn't a zombie but a fully living man raised in full glory. Saint Paul claims there were around 300 people still alive at his time of writing who witnessed the risen Christ and he himself had a profound and radical life changing encounter with him. Paul was hunting Christians down not out looking for a conversion experience. People didn't seem to recognize Jesus straight away so either he looked slightly different or was wearing something that covered his face like a hood.

Quote:would really have been something to write about in those day , dont u think??

Not a lot people back then could write so they recorded the events orally at first. Saint Paul was the first to write about the events of Christs life and death around 20 years after the event so well within living memory.

(October 10, 2013 at 11:01 am)max-greece Wrote: So God made not a single improvement on the minds of men

He won't force people not to be sinful he can only show them the way. But in "the fullness of time" I think we have seen a great deal of improvement and progress. There is still room for improvement though you'll agree.

Quote:- who do exactly the same thing whether they believe in him or in something else.

That's the nature of human sin for you, it's all very well covered and explained.

(October 10, 2013 at 11:02 am)daandaan Wrote: non of what so ever ...they where intellectals , kristians r not.

Have a read of these books and prove yourself wrong.