(October 28, 2013 at 3:56 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 3:44 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: FFF, I'm not thin but I agree with you here, especially when it's some fat as fuck tv pastor in a Italian tailored suit with a rolex in a top notch air conditioned church asking for more money in HD.

I'm not thin, but I'm nowhere near obese. I agree with you about the fatcat pastors and mega-church staffers. Again the entire point of this thread was to call out hypocrisy - I simply used obesity and gluttony as my platform in bringing the message.

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I think I may have stirred some of the heftier theist members with this one. Either that, or the holy spirit was using me yo confirm an already punctuated awareness. God gets the credit for every good idea it seems. Now let's see them practice the self-control they preach.

EDIT: to correct spelling errors theists wouldn't notice anyway.

That is exactly what I thought
Sorta like these guys
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and one more thing to add

(October 28, 2013 at 3:48 pm)Napoléon Wrote: I can honestly say that's the longest post I've ever seen on this forum.

Indeed.

Just a friendly reminder of two of our forum guidelines -

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All have sinned. Everyone! Pointing this out does not make Christianity less true. It actually supports the reason we as humans need Christianity.

(October 28, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 2:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Ho hum.....

So, you do know the difference between a PROVERB and a Law or command right?

The verse CLEARLY gives a directive not to be a glutton and a drunkard. However, since YOU are the most important interpreter of the bible and there is no other christians who would ever disagree with you than we can all CLEARLY agree that gluttony is ok and so is drinking.

Since its more important to prove Min wrong, you should definitely go against your own scriptures .... you know ... just to prove some ridiculous point. Idiot.

Sorry everyone - should have used the hide tags - just wanted to make a point with the F-ton of references requested.

To be honest - I only read a few of them myself.

Lets just conclude that there are more than several references to gluttony in the Bible.

(October 28, 2013 at 4:21 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote: All have sinned. Everyone! Pointing this out does not make Christianity less true. It actually supports the reason we as humans need Christianity.

Religious folks are always quick to concede that their religion does not necessarily make believers better person.

So here's a question, what's the point believing? What's the point of claiming nonbelievers need your religion if your religion doesn't make us better persons? What's the point of being superior on paper when in actuality your chances of being an asshole is just the same as ours?

(October 28, 2013 at 4:21 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote: All have sinned. Everyone! Pointing this out does not make Christianity less true. It actually supports the reason we as humans need Christianity

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No. We as humans need to understand that shit happens, and hope that religion falls through the cracks of history as evolution continues proving it wrong. If by "All have sinned" you therefore mean that all need a savior (i.e. Christianity), Then know that I reject that. What is sin, and how do you know that I've done it?

Here it comes.....

"The bible says......" yadda yadda yadda. The bible is not proof of your claims, it merely supports your delusions.

I still don't have a good definition of "sin." It is usually defined by theists as "things that displease god." Yet what is a sin changes from religion to religion, sect to sect, and person to person. Is being fat a sin or not? Is drinking to excess a sin or not?

Odd that shoving corn dogs in one end and displaying it openly is perfectly fine, but shoving penises in the other and displaying it openly is a sin. Why would anyone take someone as persnickety as the christian god seriously?

(October 28, 2013 at 3:17 pm)Drich Wrote: Looks like another sunday schooler who missed the day they taught the difference between a PROVERB and a Law or command of God.

So I guess that thing about homosexuality doesn't count then? So why are Christians in such an uproar against homosexuality?

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(October 28, 2013 at 4:21 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote: All have sinned. Everyone! Pointing this out does not make Christianity less true. It actually supports the reason we as humans need Christianity.

Only if you can prove there's a god to sin against. Otherwise it sounds like you're creating the problem and then offering the only solution.

(October 28, 2013 at 4:40 pm)Zazzy Wrote: Is being fat a sin or not?

No, being fat, in and of itself, is not a 'sin'. It's how you got that way that MAY be a sin. For example; if you're fat because of a genetic reason, then no, it's not a sin. But if you are fat from a lack of self control, then yes, it is a sin. If you make food (or any earthly thing) more important than god, then (whatever) it is becomes a sin. Going to church too much could become a sin if it began to take precedence over worship of god.