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RE: Evolution and Islam
December 2, 2013 at 3:42 pm
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(December 2, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Nineteen Wrote: Looks like to says "if you research enough Islam , you will come to the conclusion that God is real" .
There are also evidences for reality of God , why dont you accept it as a "fact" ?
Reminds me a person who was removed from school because of she didnt accept the homosexuality as a normality .
There is hard, verifiable, quantifiable and testable evidence that indicates that evolution is an accurate description of the process that occurs that leads to species evolving.
For Islam, all we have the word of believers and a contradiction laden book written under dubious circumstances around 1500 years ago.
You deceive yourself.
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RE: Evolution and Islam
December 2, 2013 at 3:43 pm
(December 2, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Nineteen Wrote: Looks like to says "if you research enough Islam , you will come to the conclusion that God is real" .
There are also evidences for reality of God , why dont you accept it as a "fact" ?
Reminds me a person who was removed from school because of she didnt accept the homosexuality as a normality .
You need to clarify, which points do you feel human evolution does not explain?
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RE: Evolution and Islam
December 2, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Can't work out if we're being trolled here....
Quote: Noone have right to force people to study "human" evolution in schools and force people to believe it .
One cannot force anyone to believe anything. One can force people to study something, but if you think that human evolution is not yet proven, is studying it not the correct thing to do? Study helps us learn more.
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RE: Evolution and Islam
December 2, 2013 at 3:47 pm
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(December 2, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Nineteen Wrote: Looks like to says "if you research enough Islam , you will come to the conclusion that God is real" .
There are also evidences for reality of God , why dont you accept it as a "fact" ?
If you research Islam objectively then you will come to the conclusion that it is dubious and should be treated with scepticism. If you research Islam as a brainwashed muslim who merely wants to strengthen their already conditioned and closed-off mind then you will no doubt conclude that god is real. No rational mind could look at the story of the qur'an (i.e reading the qur'an and researching external sources which put its authorship in to context) and conclude that it is the word of god, because that is not a rational conclusion. If a rational mind reached that conclusion, then (rationally speaking) it would have to accept all other stories of supernatural phenomenom from all cultures as fact. To believe in one thing and not the other requires the complete suspension of rational enquiry.
What is the evidence for the reality of god to which you refer? I'm yet to see any.
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RE: Evolution and Islam
December 2, 2013 at 3:54 pm
(December 2, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Nineteen Wrote: Looks like to says "if you research enough Islam , you will come to the conclusion that God is real" .
There are also evidences for reality of God , why dont you accept it as a "fact" ?
Because the two things aren't even remotely similar. The "evidences for the reality of God" quite simply do not stand up to even the most cursory scrutiny. Many of them are actually evidence for the exact opposite of what they are sold as being and are just twisted to mean something else. On the other hand, evolution is one of the best attested fields of modern science with mountains of peer-reviewed and replicable evidence to support it. Nothing in biology would work or make sense without it, modern medicine and gene therapy would be useless. "God" has, quite literally, nothing to compare to it.
(December 2, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Nineteen Wrote: Reminds me a person who was removed from school because of she didnt accept the homosexuality as a normality .
And this is a total non sequitur, with a miguided attempt at offense for flavour, so needs no response.
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RE: Evolution and Islam
December 2, 2013 at 3:56 pm
(December 2, 2013 at 3:24 pm)Nineteen Wrote: (December 2, 2013 at 12:48 pm)LastPoet Wrote: A theory is a whole shitload of evidence, hard work, experimentation and objectiveness that is always under fire from scrutiny, even sometimes from infantile ideas. We have evidence to support our view, you have "Jack Shit" and Jack has left town.
I'm not against the evolution , but "human" evolution is a theory and still cannot explain some points . In this case I cant accept it as a "fact" . It maybe true , maybe not . Noone have right to force people to study "human" evolution in schools and force people to believe it .
Evolution is evolution. Homo sapiens are not exempt, except in your fairy tale.
Science class teaches evolution. Take it or leave it.
I'm afraid you are probably too brainwashed to understand the evidence. So sad.
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RE: Evolution and Islam
December 2, 2013 at 4:01 pm
(December 2, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Nineteen Wrote: There are also evidences for reality of God , why dont you accept it as a "fact" ?
Oh please do present that evidence, you may be the first. Pretty please?
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RE: Evolution and Islam
December 2, 2013 at 4:02 pm
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(December 2, 2013 at 3:42 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: There is hard, verifiable, quantifiable and testable evidence that indicates that evolution is an accurate description of the process that occurs that leads to species evolving.
For Islam, all we have the word of believers and a contradiction laden book written under dubious circumstances around 1500 years ago.
You deceive yourself.
There are also hard verifiable quantifiable and tastable against theories for "human" evolution .
For Islam , I have proved many times that there is no contradiction in it , also any person can do the same , just a little research .
People just want to believe what they want to believe , this applies to all . People cannot decide without being bound to a frame of mind and everyone is under the influence of their political and philosophical mindset .
I'm trying to be objective as much as possible .
By the way , please research about some islamic scholar those who were propounded different evolutionary theories . Jabbir ibn Hayyan , Ibrahim an-Nazzam , Al-Jahiz , Al-Biruni , Ebn Meskavayh , Ibn Tufail , Ibn Khaldun etc ...
So muslims are not the against the evolution as you think . Christians are , because this is opposed to their Jesus portrait .
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RE: Evolution and Islam
December 2, 2013 at 4:04 pm
(December 2, 2013 at 2:11 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (December 2, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Also, man nappies.
NIPPLES! Fucking autocorrect!
Also man nappies though on reflection so I'll leave it in.
While you at it, I'm one good kick away from being rendered infertile. Smart god
Maybe that's why god is so hung up about balls and cocks?
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RE: Evolution and Islam
December 2, 2013 at 4:05 pm
(December 2, 2013 at 4:02 pm)Nineteen Wrote: There are also hard verifiable quantifiable and tastable against theories for "human" evolution .
Please present that evidence or STFU.
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