(January 22, 2014 at 3:49 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: But if nonliving stuff can turn into a much more complex basic component from which living stuff is made up of, then don't you think it's certainly possible? At minimum, it's possible.

I turn non living stuff into living stuff every day. its called eating.

(January 22, 2014 at 4:36 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 22, 2014 at 3:49 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: But if nonliving stuff can turn into a much more complex basic component from which living stuff is made up of, then don't you think it's certainly possible? At minimum, it's possible.

I turn non living stuff into living stuff every day. its called eating.

It's been said that a woman is a device for turning cheeseburgers into babies. Sho'nuff. Just not this woman.

Or babies into cheeseburgers...

(January 22, 2014 at 3:41 pm)WesOlsen Wrote: I've always wanted to see an attempt by a theist to try and explain a likely mechanism by which god created everything. It's usually incredibly vague dribble, or biblical quotes. One thing that always interested me is that god is usually described as infinitely powerful, such that if he wanted to, he could obviously smash the entire universe in to pieces with the click of a finger. Of course, in order to move all the energy/matter in the universe, he must be able to summon at least an equal amount of energy/matter in order to counter the existing energy/matter. This must surely be stored somewhere, perhaps in a special god cache, or a celestial basement (perhaps along with god's favourite freeze dried coffee). It would be interesting to know where god keeps his spare energy, just in case he fancies plugging the occasional supermassive black hole. In fact, if we could even take a peek at god's house it would be a start.

(January 22, 2014 at 5:21 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Or babies into cheeseburgers...

Dude, stop. I'm getting hungry.

He he he

Whatever happened to that really lame cheezburger cat meme? That shit used to pop up everywhere, and now it's a fading memory in the world of cat memes. (More importantly, I have no idea why I'm thinking of cats and cheeseburgers as any kind of mashup.)

Not only that, but what exactly must be met to show that it's not "impossible" ? If non living matter can be shown, under the right conditions, to form into amino acids, the building blocks of life, then it is certainly possible. If what you are asking for is a video of a rock morphing into a human, then under those impossible conditions, yeah, it's impossible. But if nonliving stuff can turn into a much more complex basic component from which living stuff is made up of, then don't you think it's certainly possible? At minimum, it's possible.
stanley miller prebiotic soup experiments was at one time thought to hold so much promise but as the years have gone by, researcher realize that natural causes cannot produce replicating life forms. famed origin-of-life researcher leslie orgel said this at issol 2002 "It would be a miracle if a strand of RNA ever appeared on the primitive Earth. As a preface to this comment, Orgel remarked, 'I hope no creationists are in the audience."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Nav...elab3.html

(January 22, 2014 at 9:34 pm)snowtracks Wrote: "It would be a miracle if a strand of RNA ever appeared on the primitive Earth. As a preface to this comment, Orgel remarked, 'I hope no creationists are in the audience."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Nav...elab3.html

Interesting source..
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Nav...c2014.html
This last post about sunday school certainly just screams confidence in the validity of your claims.

The mined quote is only published in creotard journals and it's origin is rather unimportant because in science it is what you show that is important not what some old fart says in jest in 1974. (If he even said it which is very very doubtful)

Just a few seconds of looking goes quickly out of my college chemistry background

http://www.jsystchem.com/content/3/1/2
http://phys.org/news/2013-12-scientists-closer-rna.html
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v50...2412d.html

(January 22, 2014 at 9:34 pm)snowtracks Wrote: stanley miller prebiotic soup experiments was at one time thought to hold so much promise but as the years have gone by, researcher realize that natural causes cannot produce replicating life forms. famed origin-of-life researcher leslie orgel said this at issol 2002 "It would be a miracle if a strand of RNA ever appeared on the primitive Earth. As a preface to this comment, Orgel remarked, 'I hope no creationists are in the audience."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Nav...elab3.html

Oh, you're quoting Leslie Orgel, are you?

The same Leslie Orgel that that suggested that peptide nucleic acids, not RNA, would be more likely responsible for abiogenesis? Who did that, incidentally, along with the very same Stanley Miller you've attempted to characterize as being in disagreement with him?

Leslie Orgel the evolutionary biologist? Coiner of the term "specified complexity," which was originally not a creationist term? Leslie Orgel, who very definitely does not agree with the position you're espousing, you dishonest fuck?

Way to quote mine, liar. It took me about five fucking seconds to find a paper written by the guy on the origins of life, where he never once gives recourse to creationism, funnily enough. What a dishonest little game you're playing.