(March 1, 2014 at 1:16 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Intelligent design (as most of us know) is just a front for creationism, but when you check reality, it becomes very clear that some things aren't intelligently designed at all. We can't prove they weren't designed by a magical sky daddy, but we can damn well prove that the sky daddy was a fucking moron.

For instance, exhibit A:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrent_laryngeal_nerve

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The laryngeal nerve, starts at the brain, goes all the way down and loops around the heart and then goes all the way back up to the larynx. And all it does, is control the larynx. Does that look intelligently designed to you? It looks stupidly designed to me, if your god really does exist, he is very inept in the inner workings of large organisms. If a contractor installing electrical wiring, looped the wire around my house 6 times, only to provide power to my TV, I wouldn't be very impressed.

How about this:


The appendix. What kind of dumbass makes an organ, that we don't use? What kind of mentally retarded god, makes a useless organ that has been known, on occasion, to blow up and kill the person?

And how about our mouths. How stupid does someone have to be to design a respiratory system and digestive system and give them the same hole to work out of? Why could this all powerful, all knowing god, create a system in which it would be impossible for me to choke on a sweet?

In conclusion, due to the vast amount of evidence against intelligent design, and indeed creationism, I think I am being reasonable when I conclude that anyone who believes we are designed, is a dolt who needs to be thrown back into school and re-educated.

(March 1, 2014 at 1:50 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(March 1, 2014 at 1:29 pm)max-greece Wrote: We do - we use our spleen too - but we can live without either (both).

We can live without legs too.

(March 1, 2014 at 2:57 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: You are employing logic, though. See, faith has nothing at all to do with logic. If you attempt to sell this idea to a Creationist/religous person, the rebuttal will invariably be: ''No one knows the mind of God. His ways are not our ways. Faith, is a mystery.''
There mere fact that a gender is even applied to 'God,' should tell you that logic doesn't come into play here.

Creationists are more than satisfied with believing that the things that can't be rightfully explained through science/logic, have a Creator as the answer, no matter how illogical it seems. (I used to be Christian, yet, I wasn't sold on Creationism, tbh.)

Circular arguments ensue, and you, the logical one, will just end up with a massive headache.

(March 1, 2014 at 3:02 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:

(March 1, 2014 at 2:57 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: You are employing logic, though. See, faith has nothing at all to do with logic. If you attempt to sell this idea to a Creationist/religous person, the rebuttal will invariably be: ''No one knows the mind of God. His ways are not our ways. Faith, is a mystery.''
There mere fact that a gender is even applied to 'God,' should tell you that logic doesn't come into play here.

Creationists are more than satisfied with believing that the things that can't be rightfully explained through science/logic, have a Creator as the answer, no matter how illogical it seems. (I used to be Christian, yet, I wasn't sold on Creationism, tbh.)

Circular arguments ensue, and you, the logical one, will just end up with a massive headache.

I was brought up in a very rational, very logical family with no religion at all apart from at school. So you may be able to see how I find creationists minds so confusing.

(March 1, 2014 at 3:06 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Consider yourself fortunate to not have grown up with confusing, mixed messages about life. I grew up in a Christian home, and my family was highly educated, and logical, but also, religious. There was always this two-pronged approach we'll call it, to life. Like, believe in science, but always put God, and your 'beliefs' above secularism.

The fact that secularism is a term that needs to exist, is stupid.

I rarely 'meet' people who grew up like you, there was always some type of spirituality coming from their family of origin. So, it's cool to see someone who has never been 'tainted' by the trappings of religion. Not even a smidge.

Keep it that way. haha

(March 1, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:

(March 1, 2014 at 3:06 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Consider yourself fortunate to not have grown up with confusing, mixed messages about life. I grew up in a Christian home, and my family was highly educated, and logical, but also, religious. There was always this two-pronged approach we'll call it, to life. Like, believe in science, but always put God, and your 'beliefs' above secularism.

The fact that secularism is a term that needs to exist, is stupid.

I rarely 'meet' people who grew up like you, there was always some type of spirituality coming from their family of origin. So, it's cool to see someone who has never been 'tainted' by the trappings of religion. Not even a smidge.

Keep it that way. haha

I must give some credit to myself though, I went to a church of England primary school and once a week we would go to church and pray and sing hymns and stuff. And every day we would have an assembly that starts with a prayer and involves hymns. I remember, never believing any of it and just going along with it because everybody else did. It was just one of those weird things everybody did.

(March 1, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:

(March 1, 2014 at 3:06 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Consider yourself fortunate to not have grown up with confusing, mixed messages about life. I grew up in a Christian home, and my family was highly educated, and logical, but also, religious. There was always this two-pronged approach we'll call it, to life. Like, believe in science, but always put God, and your 'beliefs' above secularism.

The fact that secularism is a term that needs to exist, is stupid.

I rarely 'meet' people who grew up like you, there was always some type of spirituality coming from their family of origin. So, it's cool to see someone who has never been 'tainted' by the trappings of religion. Not even a smidge.

Keep it that way. haha

I must give some credit to myself though, I went to a church of England primary school and once a week we would go to church and pray and sing hymns and stuff.

Quote:And every day we would have an assembly that starts with a prayer and involves hymns. I remember, never believing any of it and just going along with it because everybody else did. It was just one of those weird things everybody did.