- opens dictionary.com
- types in "possession"
- definition number 3: "ownership".


-types in "property"
- definition number 1: "that which a person owns"


Yes they mean the same thing. They mean absolutely, utterly, demonstrably, the same thing. Your bible says you can own, possess, have, hold, retain slaves. Pick whichever word you want. It all means the same thing.

(March 6, 2014 at 2:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: simple yes or no question, I'm accused of always dodging, but whenever I'm pressed for a yes or no answer I give it.

So give me a yes or no answer, then we can move forward.

No, what you've got is a false dichotomy, ass. Possession- the way you're characterizing it- and ownership are not the same thing. However, possession as a noun, the way the bible uses it, is the same thing as property.

And, as Pinsir just pointed out, the two words are rather intimately connected, so even if your excuse wasn't just an anemic, dishonest attempt at dodging out of explaining yourself, you would still be wrong.

The bible calls these people "a possession," that you can pass down. Not something one takes possession of: a possession. AKA, a piece of property.

Now cut the shit and come clean.

(March 6, 2014 at 2:14 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: - opens dictionary.com
- types in "possession"
- definition number 3: "ownership".


-types in "property"
- definition number 1: "that which a person owns"


Yes they mean the same thing. They mean absolutely, utterly, demonstrably, the same thing. Your bible says you can own, possess, have, hold, retain slaves. Pick whichever word you want. It all means the same thing.

pos·ses·sion noun \-ˈze-shən also -ˈse-\
: the condition of having or owning something

: something that is owned or possessed by someone

law : the crime of having something that is illegal (such as a drug or weapon)

Full Definition of POSSESSION

a : the act of having or taking into control
b : control or occupancy of property without regard to ownership
c : ownership (i'll address later in this post)

Wikipedia on possession as it relates to law.

"In law, possession is the control a person intentionally exercises toward a thing. In all cases, to possess something, a person must have an intention to possess it. A person may be in possession of some property (although possession does not always imply ownership)."

Possession is a factual state of exercising control over an object, whether owning the object or not.

Ok lets define what an owner is.

dictionary.com

Owner
n. one who has legal title or right to something. Contrary to the cynical adage: "Possession is nine-tenths of the law," possession does not necessarily make one a legal owner. (See: own)

so to make it simple for you, if you own a car for instance it is your property and in your possession but if you let me borrow the car it then comes into my possession but it is not my property. so no, property and possession do not mean the same.

(March 6, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 6, 2014 at 2:14 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: - opens dictionary.com
- types in "possession"
- definition number 3: "ownership".


-types in "property"
- definition number 1: "that which a person owns"


Yes they mean the same thing. They mean absolutely, utterly, demonstrably, the same thing. Your bible says you can own, possess, have, hold, retain slaves. Pick whichever word you want. It all means the same thing.

pos·ses·sion noun \-ˈze-shən also -ˈse-\
: the condition of having or owning something

: something that is owned or possessed by someone

law : the crime of having something that is illegal (such as a drug or weapon)

Full Definition of POSSESSION

a : the act of having or taking into control
b : control or occupancy of property without regard to ownership
c : ownership (i'll address later in this post)

Wikipedia on possession as it relates to law.

"In law, possession is the control a person intentionally exercises toward a thing. In all cases, to possess something, a person must have an intention to possess it. A person may be in possession of some property (although possession does not always imply ownership)."

Possession is a factual state of exercising control over an object, whether owning the object or not.

Ok lets define what an owner is.

dictionary.com

Owner
n. one who has legal title or right to something. Contrary to the cynical adage: "Possession is nine-tenths of the law," possession does not necessarily make one a legal owner. (See: own)

so to make it simple for you, if you own a car for instance it is your property and in your possession but if you let me borrow the car it then comes into my possession but it is not my property. so no, property and possession do not mean the same.

So there are people in this world that will defend what "they believe" even if its not the truth.... ur left... cause u aint right!!!

(March 6, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: pos·ses·sion noun \-ˈze-shən also -ˈse-\
: the condition of having or owning something

: something that is owned or possessed by someone

law : the crime of having something that is illegal (such as a drug or weapon)

Full Definition of POSSESSION

a : the act of having or taking into control
b : control or occupancy of property without regard to ownership
c : ownership (i'll address later in this post)

Wikipedia on possession as it relates to law.

"In law, possession is the control a person intentionally exercises toward a thing. In all cases, to possess something, a person must have an intention to possess it. A person may be in possession of some property (although possession does not always imply ownership)."

Possession is a factual state of exercising control over an object, whether owning the object or not.

Ok lets define what an owner is.

dictionary.com

Owner
n. one who has legal title or right to something. Contrary to the cynical adage: "Possession is nine-tenths of the law," possession does not necessarily make one a legal owner. (See: own)

so to make it simple for you, if you own a car for instance it is your property and in your possession but if you let me borrow the car it then comes into my possession but it is not my property. so no, property and possession do not mean the same.

So Huggy, is it your claim that when the bible says you may "inherit them for a possession" that what it actually means is that you may literally not do that?

What is a possession, Huggy? Forget using the word as a verb, what's a possession? What does it mean, as a noun, like the bible uses it?

(March 6, 2014 at 2:50 pm)Esquilax Wrote: What is a possession, Huggy? Forget using the word as a verb, what's a possession? What does it mean, as a noun, like the bible uses it?

Verb? If you look at the definition I posted you'll see it clearly states it's a noun.

pos·ses·sion noun \-ˈze-shən also -ˈse-\
: the condition of having or owning something
: something that is owned or possessed by someone
law : the crime of having something that is illegal (such as a drug or weapon)
Full Definition of POSSESSION
a : the act of having or taking into control
b : control or occupancy of property without regard to ownership
c : ownership

(March 6, 2014 at 3:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Verb? If you look at the definition I posted you'll see it clearly states it's a noun.

pos·ses·sion noun \-ˈze-shən also -ˈse-\
: the condition of having or owning something
: something that is owned or possessed by someone
law : the crime of having something that is illegal (such as a drug or weapon)
Full Definition of POSSESSION
a : the act of having or taking into control
b : control or occupancy of property without regard to ownership
c : ownership

And you have decided, out of convenience, without justification or even an attempt to explain yourself, that the bible means definition B, and not the others. Sorry, but your by fiat assertions mean nothing, especially when we can just read the passages ourselves, and see that very clearly, the context does not support your claim.

If someone is "a possession," it means that they are "a possession" in the same way that any other thing that you own is a possession, and when you twist and turn to try and get away from that, you demonstrate that you are dishonest, immoral, and uninterested in anything more than unthinking obeisance to a book.

(March 6, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(March 6, 2014 at 3:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: And you have decided, out of convenience, without justification or even an attempt to explain yourself, that the bible means definition B, and not the others. Sorry, but your by fiat assertions mean nothing, especially when we can just read the passages ourselves, and see that very clearly, the context does not support your claim.

If someone is "a possession," it means that they are "a possession" in the same way that any other thing that you own is a possession, and when you twist and turn to try and get away from that, you demonstrate that you are dishonest, immoral, and uninterested in anything more than unthinking obeisance to a book.

To be clear, your exact quote:

(March 6, 2014 at 2:50 pm)Esquilax Wrote: What is a possession, Huggy? Forget using the word as a verb, what's a possession? What does it mean, as a noun, like the bible uses it?

And I gave you the definition as a noun like the bible uses it. How is this not clear?

pos·ses·sion noun \-ˈze-shən also -ˈse-\
: the condition of having or owning something
: something that is owned or possessed by someone
law : the crime of having something that is illegal (such as a drug or weapon)
Full Definition of POSSESSION
a : the act of having or taking into control
b : control or occupancy of property without regard to ownership
c : ownership

Oh, go fuck yourself, you petty little asswipe.

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