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RE: Why is evolution hiding?
March 25, 2014 at 3:44 pm
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Do you see how this is leading you down a path? ""
Which path am I being lead down?
On rare occasions a mutation in DNA improves a creature's ability to survive, so it is more likely to reproduce (natural selection). Does evolution have other tools for making new creatures?
It might even work if it took just one gene to make and control one part. But parts of living creatures are constructed of intricate components with connections that all need to be in place for the thing to work, controlled by many genes that have to act in the proper sequence.
would Natural selection choose parts that did not have all their components existing, in place, connected, and regulated? And these parts would work?
Thus all the right mutations (and none of the destructive ones) must happen at the same time by pure chance. That is physically impossible...which to me is evidence for the work of a creator.
Only mutations in the reproductive (germ) cells of an animal or plant would be passed on. Mutations in the eye or skin of an animal would not matter. Mutations in DNA happen fairly often, but most are repaired or destroyed by mechanisms in animals and plants. All known mutations in animal and plant germ cells are neutral, harmful, or fatal.
So it is a stretch to make a bold assertion that is in a nut shell saying, "I believe with confidence that beneficial mutations built every type of creature that ever existed."
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RE: Why is evolution hiding?
March 25, 2014 at 4:07 pm
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(March 25, 2014 at 3:44 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: Do you see how this is leading you down a path? ""
Which path am I being lead down? What I was going for there is the idea that they are feeding you falsehoods in order to get you to agree with their conclusion. i.e. "natural selection says that eskimos should be hairy, and they aren't, ergo natural selection is wrong. In actuality you wouldn't expect Eskimos to be hairy due to natural selection, because clothes.
(March 25, 2014 at 3:44 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: On rare occasions a mutation in DNA improves a creature's ability to survive, so it is more likely to reproduce (natural selection). Does evolution have other tools for making new creatures? Sexual selection. If a mutation makes you more virile, more sexually attractive, etc. then you are more likely to pass on your genes.
(March 25, 2014 at 3:44 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: It might even work if it took just one gene to make and control one part. But parts of living creatures are constructed of intricate components with connections that all need to be in place for the thing to work, controlled by many genes that have to act in the proper sequence.
would Natural selection choose parts that did not have all their components existing, in place, connected, and regulated? Would these parts would work? This is like the eye argument that Creationists love to parrot, even though it has been thouroughly debunked. And the answer is yes. We'll use the eye because it is an easy one. I'll let Neil deGrasse Tyson's explanation on Cosmos last week speak to this. It's at the 22 minute mark, but I would watch the whole thing for an overall look at evolution.
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RE: Why is evolution hiding?
March 25, 2014 at 5:48 pm
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Why is evolution hiding?
March 25, 2014 at 5:51 pm
So Thunder is still struggling with evolution?
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RE: Why is evolution hiding?
March 25, 2014 at 5:53 pm
Still the issue is that since we don't see favorable mutations creating new species in periods of thousands of years, we then hypothesize that it takes millions of years, and anything that takes that long can not be tested by Scientific method.
Hence, it is theory.
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RE: Why is evolution hiding?
March 25, 2014 at 5:54 pm
(March 25, 2014 at 5:53 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: Still the issue is that since we don't see favorable mutations creating new species in periods of thousands of years, we then hypothesize that it takes millions of years, and anything that takes that long can not be tested by Scientific method.
Hence, it is theory.
Evolution happened. It's a fact.
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RE: Why is evolution hiding?
March 25, 2014 at 5:54 pm
(This post was last modified: March 25, 2014 at 6:04 pm by Phatt Matt s.)
The good news is this is the longest thread I've ever started and I managed to stay on topic the whole time!
Woot! WOOT! 
Now I need to figure out what the secret was
(March 25, 2014 at 5:54 pm)tor Wrote: (March 25, 2014 at 5:53 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: Still the issue is that since we don't see favorable mutations creating new species in periods of thousands of years, we then hypothesize that it takes millions of years, and anything that takes that long can not be tested by Scientific method.
Hence, it is theory.
Evolution happened. It's a fact.
Not the kind you're talking about.
It cannot be subject to proper testing according to Scientific Method and therefore, the type of Evolution you are promoting is a theory!
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RE: Why is evolution hiding?
March 25, 2014 at 5:58 pm
(March 25, 2014 at 5:54 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: The good news is this is the longest thread I've ever started and I managed to stay on topic the whole time!
Woot! WOOT!
Praise be to Evolution!!
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RE: Why is evolution hiding?
March 25, 2014 at 6:03 pm
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(March 25, 2014 at 5:58 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: (March 25, 2014 at 5:54 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: The good news is this is the longest thread I've ever started and I managed to stay on topic the whole time!
Woot! WOOT!
Praise be to Evolution!!
Yeah, now there's an idea!
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RE: Why is evolution hiding?
March 25, 2014 at 6:04 pm
Thunder do you believe black holes exist?
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