(March 26, 2014 at 7:33 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(March 26, 2014 at 5:54 pm)Faith No More Wrote: You mockingly quoted Esquillax and attempted to get around that by adding a title to the end of his username. The intent is clear, and your squirming about not using the "precise username" is childish.

If I quoted him the link would lead to his post. It doesn't and I didn't. Apart from the word "dishonest", what did I quote of his? The intent is clear indeed. If I'd meant it to be seriously saying that esq had indeed said what I'd put I wouldn't have added the fake poster name of " Esquilax the dishonest " now would I?

Come on faith, get serious.

Are you really still squirming about? Take your slap on the wrist like an adult and shut the hell up about it already. Fucks sake, you know you're in the wrong here.

(March 24, 2014 at 8:37 pm)tor Wrote: This one is for the theists.

What makes you believe He is hiding, is it because you haven't seen Him, you've never seen the wind, do you doubt it's existence, I don't think you do. You believe in the wind because you can feel it and see it's actions, well I can feel God and see His actions, what I wonder is why can't you?

GC

(March 27, 2014 at 3:56 am)Godschild Wrote:

(March 24, 2014 at 8:37 pm)tor Wrote: This one is for the theists.

What makes you believe He is hiding, is it because you haven't seen Him, you've never seen the wind, do you doubt it's existence, I don't think you do. You believe in the wind because you can feel it and see it's actions, well I can feel God and see His actions, what I wonder is why can't you?

GC

I see signs of wind. I don't see signs of god.

(March 27, 2014 at 3:56 am)Godschild Wrote:

(March 24, 2014 at 8:37 pm)tor Wrote: This one is for the theists.

What makes you believe He is hiding, is it because you haven't seen Him, you've never seen the wind, do you doubt it's existence, I don't think you do. You believe in the wind because you can feel it and see it's actions, well I can feel God and see His actions, what I wonder is why can't you?

GC

Because it's impossible to see things that exist only in your head, GC?

And really, trotting out the 'but you can see AIR!' Argument?

You can't see a lot of shit but we know it's there. I can't see the black hole in hue he centre of our galaxy but I know it's there. Why? Fucking science, that's why.

KHEMIKULS!

(March 26, 2014 at 4:30 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: There's a big difference between making a mistake and telling a lie. I didn't read the posts as carefully as I should have and went off half cocked. Even still I find it hard to understand the difference between assuming there is a natural but as yet unknown cause and never accepting something as evidence of God. But I never tried to decieve anyone. Unless you can prove that someone means to decieve others by knowingly misrepresenting the facts, then calling people liars is baseless slander.

Well, if you made a mistake then fine, I apologize. That said, I did point out your error in the thread you initially made it, on the same day you made it. From my perspective, the issue was settled.

As to your contention, what we had suggested doing- giving any supposed evidence of god a thorough investigation- is exactly what we would want done to evidence for any other claim. The whole idea behind science is to never just go with assumptions about the nature of things; any conclusions we draw would be tentative and subject to change via other evidence. We might find signs that point to god, but not enough, from what had been suggested, to unreservedly accept that conclusion.

This isn't an inconsistency, or an unfair privileging of naturalistic explanations; it's just treating god-evidence the same way we would treat the regular kind.

(March 27, 2014 at 3:58 am)tor Wrote:

(March 27, 2014 at 3:56 am)Godschild Wrote: What makes you believe He is hiding, is it because you haven't seen Him, you've never seen the wind, do you doubt it's existence, I don't think you do. You believe in the wind because you can feel it and see it's actions, well I can feel God and see His actions, what I wonder is why can't you?

GC

I see signs of wind. I don't see signs of god.

Why don't you see God's actions have you been looking?

GC

(March 27, 2014 at 6:28 am)Godschild Wrote:

(March 27, 2014 at 3:58 am)tor Wrote: I see signs of wind. I don't see signs of god.

Why don't you see God's actions have you been looking?

GC

I was a christian for 10+ years. The problem of evil is what started the downfall of my faith.
After that I was looking for gods signs everywhere but found none. So I concluded that either god does not exist or he is hiding very well.
Also I concluded that if he does exist he is either indifferent or evil.

Until today nobody proposed a good solution to the problem of evil for me nor did I find signs of god anywhere. So either he does not exist or is not present here.

(March 27, 2014 at 3:56 am)Godschild Wrote:

(March 24, 2014 at 8:37 pm)tor Wrote: This one is for the theists.

What makes you believe He is hiding, is it because you haven't seen Him, you've never seen the wind, do you doubt it's existence, I don't think you do. You believe in the wind because you can feel it and see it's actions, well I can feel God and see His actions, what I wonder is why can't you?

GC

Except that a reductive explanation can account for the neurophysiological processes in your brain that gives you those feelings, and no appeal to God is warranted or necessary. Perhaps you can give a different account of wind but appealing to "moving spirits" to explain the sensation of feeling a cool breeze run over your skin isn't going to earn you credibility or respect.

(March 27, 2014 at 3:56 am)Godschild Wrote: What makes you believe He is hiding, is it because you haven't seen Him, you've never seen the wind, do you doubt it's existence, I don't think you do. You believe in the wind because you can feel it and see it's actions, well I can feel God and see His actions, what I wonder is why can't you?

If god was as easy to detect as the wind, everyone would acknowledge that god exists.

If god was as easy to detect as black holes, or neutrinos, or dark matter, many would doubt, but there would be basis for debate.

God isn't even as easy to detect as dark matter. Why does anyone believe that he exists?

(Can we finally put that silly "you can't see the wind" argument to rest?)

I am quite certain one can find Jesus anywhere south of the American border. He might have even illegally crossed the border many times. So many Jesus' to choose from. Would the real Jesus please stand up?