Yeesh. This guy's worse than Huggy. But only a little.

(March 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: We are reminded of this event every day. Not a day goes by where you don't hear His name mentioned, hear a song praising Him, drive by a church, see someone wearing a cross, or hear a verse from the Bible.

Jesus predicted His death and resurrection while He was alive. He tomb was empty on three days after His death. He appeared to His disciples. These men's lives were changed and God used them to change the world. Paul and 500 others have seen the risen Christ. The early church grew greatly even with terrible persecution speaks of the power of this Truth. Greatest evidence is the transformation of millions of lives of born again believers.

Sorry - but there is NO evidence of transformation
The majority of people who commit crimes in the USA are christians. They fill the prisons in numbers higher than their percentage of the general population.

The early church grew ONLY because of its recognition by Rome - and would have died if Rome wanted it to.

And born again - according to the church of the majority of xtians - are NOT saved and cannot be saved - until they join the One true church - the Catholic Church,

Sorry - you are selling a story that has NO basis

(March 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: We are reminded of this event every day. Not a day goes by where you don't hear His name mentioned, hear a song praising Him, drive by a church, see someone wearing a cross, or hear a verse from the Bible.

Jesus predicted His death and resurrection while He was alive. He tomb was empty on three days after His death. He appeared to His disciples. These men's lives were changed and God used them to change the world. Paul and 500 others have seen the risen Christ. The early church grew greatly even with terrible persecution speaks of the power of this Truth. Greatest evidence is the transformation of millions of lives of born again believers.

The historical Jesus is a forgery of many gods before him. He is not the first to be born of a virgin, on dec 25, not the first to sacrifice himself for humans or rise from the dead. He simply follows the hero pattern, google "the hero pattern" and research the hero pattern gods you will realize very quickly Jesus is simply a retelling of older god stories. The only reason the Jesus story prevailed is because of the influence of the church on the Roman Empire and the violence the church used against "heretics"

(March 29, 2014 at 1:39 pm)DarkHorse Wrote: I used to believe that Rev, until I woke up and discovered the dream was in fact a nightmare and the biggest load of shit ever thought up.

Sorry to hear you rejected the Truth. Still time to turn back.

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(March 29, 2014 at 9:57 pm)Senshi Wrote:

(March 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: We are reminded of this event every day. Not a day goes by where you don't hear His name mentioned, hear a song praising Him, drive by a church, see someone wearing a cross, or hear a verse from the Bible.

Jesus predicted His death and resurrection while He was alive. He tomb was empty on three days after His death. He appeared to His disciples. These men's lives were changed and God used them to change the world. Paul and 500 others have seen the risen Christ. The early church grew greatly even with terrible persecution speaks of the power of this Truth. Greatest evidence is the transformation of millions of lives of born again believers.

The historical Jesus is a forgery of many gods before him. He is not the first to be born of a virgin, on dec 25, not the first to sacrifice himself for humans or rise from the dead. He simply follows the hero pattern, google "the hero pattern" and research the hero pattern gods you will realize very quickly Jesus is simply a retelling of older god stories. The only reason the Jesus story prevailed is because of the influence of the church on the Roman Empire and the violence the church used against "heretics"

I look at it very differently. Satan, who was cast down from heaven and an enemy of God, has been working hard to keep people from believing the one means for us to be saved, Christ. So he has orchestrated similar stories from pagan religions so when the real thing happened it could be discredited by such skeptics as yourself. Imitation is the greatest flattery. However, the real Savior did stand up.

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(March 29, 2014 at 2:54 pm)ThomM Wrote:

(March 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: We are reminded of this event every day. Not a day goes by where you don't hear His name mentioned, hear a song praising Him, drive by a church, see someone wearing a cross, or hear a verse from the Bible.

Jesus predicted His death and resurrection while He was alive. He tomb was empty on three days after His death. He appeared to His disciples. These men's lives were changed and God used them to change the world. Paul and 500 others have seen the risen Christ. The early church grew greatly even with terrible persecution speaks of the power of this Truth. Greatest evidence is the transformation of millions of lives of born again believers.

Sorry - but there is NOT a single piece of evidence that is NOT hearsay - that proves that the christ was anything but a religious Myth

The claim that millions of lives were transformed -then you accept the Buddhism has done the same thing

The bible - which cannot be verified as to author - contains enough fairy tales - legends - and incorrect things to render is useless as a way to prove anything. HOWEVER _ since it is a religious document - and was created by the two religions - it is the CLAIM - not proof.

So your claim has been stated - support it with proof OUTSIDE Of the bible - which we do not accept as being real - nor do the majority of people in the world.

That book that you claim contains fairy tales has done a pretty good job of predicting future events hundreds and thousands of years before they happen. And more than likely, before your life is over, you will witness Revelation come to fulfillment.

(March 30, 2014 at 9:29 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(March 29, 2014 at 1:39 pm)DarkHorse Wrote: I used to believe that Rev, until I woke up and discovered the dream was in fact a nightmare and the biggest load of shit ever thought up.

Sorry to hear you rejected the Truth. Still time to turn back.

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(March 30, 2014 at 9:29 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(March 29, 2014 at 9:57 pm)Senshi Wrote: The historical Jesus is a forgery of many gods before him. He is not the first to be born of a virgin, on dec 25, not the first to sacrifice himself for humans or rise from the dead. He simply follows the hero pattern, google "the hero pattern" and research the hero pattern gods you will realize very quickly Jesus is simply a retelling of older god stories. The only reason the Jesus story prevailed is because of the influence of the church on the Roman Empire and the violence the church used against "heretics"

I look at it very differently. Satan, who was cast down from heaven and an enemy of God, has been working hard to keep people from believing the one means for us to be saved, Christ. So he has orchestrated similar stories from pagan religions so when the real thing happened it could be discredited by such skeptics as yourself. Imitation is the greatest flattery. However, the real Savior did stand up.

(March 29, 2014 at 3:08 pm)truthBtold Wrote:

(March 29, 2014 at 3:06 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I dunno dude, my empty garage is proof that someone stole my Ferrari.

I got it.. vroooom see u sucka!!!!

A sealed tomb and Roman Guards who's lives hung in the balance for the body to remain in there was not enough to keep the Son of God contained. Praise God, Christ is Risen Indeed!

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(March 29, 2014 at 3:06 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(March 29, 2014 at 2:57 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Tomb is empty

You glib, ridiculous little man. How do you know the tomb was empty? How do you know where the tomb is? How do you know there was a tomb, or that Jesus was in it, or that Jesus existed to occupy the tomb, or that even if the tomb was empty, it was for the reasons the bible states?

See, this is where simplistic non-answers aren't helpful, and where real evidence comes in. If you're actually aiming to convert anyone, as seems to be your goal here, then you absolutely need to be doing better than this snippy bullshit, because right now, you are doing more harm for your cause and credibility than good.

You could at least attempt to engage in debate and conversation. What you're doing right now is downright insulting to our intelligence.

Quote:Some of the evidences I go by is my changed life, the Truth of Scripture, and the changed lives of others

So, your evidence that a book is factual is that people got some fuzzy feelings from it, and that the book is factual?

Are you just making fun of us?

Where you there at the Big Bang?

And Thor is real and wiped out the Frost Giants.

All hail Thor.

(March 29, 2014 at 3:45 pm)max-greece Wrote: The tomb was empty.

That would be the tomb of Joseph of Aramathea (spelling? - looks almost right). No-one knows who he was. There was no Aramathea. All a bit suspect.


So the empty tomb might mean the dead body that was in it got up and walked out, or that the Nice Mr. Jo. A. was a necrophile and disappeared with the body and a large quantity of lube.

A lot rode upon that body remaining in the grave. The tomb was sealed and the lives of the Roman Soldiers hung in the balance. Yet, He Rose Again regardless.

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(March 29, 2014 at 3:38 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: How do you go about demonstrating something as obscure as "The Truth of Scripture"?

Not as obscure as slime evolving into humans.

Who claims that? Ghostbusters?

(March 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: We are reminded of this event every day. Not a day goes by where you don't hear His name mentioned, hear a song praising Him, drive by a church, see someone wearing a cross, or hear a verse from the Bible.

Jesus predicted His death and resurrection while He was alive. He tomb was empty on three days after His death. He appeared to His disciples. These men's lives were changed and God used them to change the world. Paul and 500 others have seen the risen Christ. The early church grew greatly even with terrible persecution speaks of the power of this Truth. Greatest evidence is the transformation of millions of lives of born again believers.

Your first paragraph is the Appeal to the Majority Fallacy. Just because a lot of people speak his name does not mean Christ exists. If a lot of people spoke the Flying Spaghetti Monster's name and quoted fictional stories about it, that would not prove its existence. There are a lot of Scientologists, and they all say alien parasites live in our heads. That sure as the stars above does not mean there really are alien parasites living in our heads.

As for your second paragraph, just because Christ's tomb was empty after his death doesn't mean he rose from the dead. Paul did not take note of Christ's supposed resurrection when he, by your claim, witnessed it because the biblical account of Christ's resurrection was written by an anonymous author many years after the resurrection supposedly took place.

Also, there sure are not any primary sources proving Christ's existence. If you ever take History in college, you will see that a primary source is something that was produced at the time. Jesus Christ never had any work published, and no scholars/historians took note of his supposed "miracle making". All you have is historian Josephus's writing about Jesus, and he is a secondary source.