(April 5, 2014 at 9:45 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(April 5, 2014 at 2:04 am)snowtracks Wrote: the big bang was a carefully crafted event; we know this because the cosmos demonstrates it possesses objective meaning, purpose, and significance. One way God reveals himself is thru His creative work which is indirectly thru the senses.

God's creative hand is amazing

Yes. Diseases are amazing.

(April 5, 2014 at 9:45 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(April 5, 2014 at 2:04 am)snowtracks Wrote: the big bang was a carefully crafted event; we know this because the cosmos demonstrates it possesses objective meaning, purpose, and significance. One way God reveals himself is thru His creative work which is indirectly thru the senses.

God's creative hand is amazing

But the big bang - which created a Universe of crowded galaxies that collide with each other - black holes - stars that burn out - and lots of other imperfections - cannot have been the result of the action of YOUR perfect god. A perfect being can ONLY create perfection - and an imperfect world is an example of something it could not create. And you cannot claim the world to be perfect.

OF course - if the god was perfect - it would not be almighty - since it could not create imperfection - so since it can - it must NOT be perfect.
Of course - if the god is ALL KNOWING - past - present and future - then there are things that god cannot do - ie - anything it does not already know - so for example it cannot change its mind. If it cannot change its mind - then creating a new covenant is not possible.

Example - if the god is all knowing - it knows about everything that will happen and is not able to change anything it already knows - because it would not then be all knowing. But then it would NOT be almighty since it cannot change anything it already knows. And of course - if it CAN do something it did not know it would do - then obviously is was not all knowing as well.

If you were to actually READ the bible - and write down a list of EVERYTHING the god is supposedly able to do - it would be obvious that they could not ALL be possible.

(April 5, 2014 at 10:54 pm)ThomM Wrote:

(April 5, 2014 at 9:45 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: God's creative hand is amazing

But the big bang - which created a Universe of crowded galaxies that collide with each other - black holes - stars that burn out - and lots of other imperfections - cannot have been the result of the action of YOUR perfect god. A perfect being can ONLY create perfection - and an imperfect world is an example of something it could not create. And you cannot claim the world to be perfect.

OF course - if the god was perfect - it would not be almighty - since it could not create imperfection - so since it can - it must NOT be perfect.
Of course - if the god is ALL KNOWING - past - present and future - then there are things that god cannot do - ie - anything it does not already know - so for example it cannot change its mind. If it cannot change its mind - then creating a new covenant is not possible.

Example - if the god is all knowing - it knows about everything that will happen and is not able to change anything it already knows - because it would not then be all knowing. But then it would NOT be almighty since it cannot change anything it already knows. And of course - if it CAN do something it did not know it would do - then obviously is was not all knowing as well.

If you were to actually READ the bible - and write down a list of EVERYTHING the god is supposedly able to do - it would be obvious that they could not ALL be possible.

there are multi-purposes for God creating the universe. it's a fallacy that God's sole purpose in creating the universe is to provide a perfectly comfortable environment for life, especially human life.

(April 5, 2014 at 11:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(April 5, 2014 at 10:54 pm)ThomM Wrote: But the big bang - which created a Universe of crowded galaxies that collide with each other - black holes - stars that burn out - and lots of other imperfections - cannot have been the result of the action of YOUR perfect god. A perfect being can ONLY create perfection - and an imperfect world is an example of something it could not create. And you cannot claim the world to be perfect.

OF course - if the god was perfect - it would not be almighty - since it could not create imperfection - so since it can - it must NOT be perfect.
Of course - if the god is ALL KNOWING - past - present and future - then there are things that god cannot do - ie - anything it does not already know - so for example it cannot change its mind. If it cannot change its mind - theon creating a new covenant is not possible.

Example - if the god is all knowing - it knows about everything that will happen and is not able to change anything it already knows - because it would not then be all knowing. But then it would NOT be almighty since it cannot change anything it already knows. And of course - if it CAN do something it did not know it would do - then obviously is was not all knowing as well.

If you were to actually READ the bible - and write down a list of EVERYTHING the god is supposedly able to do - it would be obvious that they could not ALL be possible.

there are multi-purposes for God creating the universe. it's a fallacy that God's sole purpose in creating the universe is to provide a perfectly comfortable environment for life, especially human life.

Of course it's always wrong no matter what one says, because the properties and purpose of god are whatever you, or the inventors of your religion, want them to be. They can even change from day to day. In the old days, the godly properties were decided in councils, and then everybody had to believe it from then on or be murdered. Nowadays its less buerocratic especially among protestants, want your god to have bells and whistles X and Y, there is bound to be a church around which believes it unconditionally, in the worst case you have to drive a bit longer on sunday mornings.

(April 5, 2014 at 11:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote: there are multi-purposes for God creating the universe. it's a fallacy that God's sole purpose in creating the universe is to provide a perfectly comfortable environment for life, especially human life.

You keep making shit up, spouting things for which you have no evidence, things you can't possibly know.

And you're boring.

(April 5, 2014 at 10:54 pm)ThomM Wrote:

(April 5, 2014 at 9:45 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: God's creative hand is amazing

But the big bang - which created a Universe of crowded galaxies that collide with each other - black holes - stars that burn out - and lots of other imperfections - cannot have been the result of the action of YOUR perfect god. A perfect being can ONLY create perfection - and an imperfect world is an example of something it could not create. And you cannot claim the world to be perfect.

OF course - if the god was perfect - it would not be almighty - since it could not create imperfection - so since it can - it must NOT be perfect.
Of course - if the god is ALL KNOWING - past - present and future - then there are things that god cannot do - ie - anything it does not already know - so for example it cannot change its mind. If it cannot change its mind - then creating a new covenant is not possible.

Example - if the god is all knowing - it knows about everything that will happen and is not able to change anything it already knows - because it would not then be all knowing. But then it would NOT be almighty since it cannot change anything it already knows. And of course - if it CAN do something it did not know it would do - then obviously is was not all knowing as well.

If you were to actually READ the bible - and write down a list of EVERYTHING the god is supposedly able to do - it would be obvious that they could not ALL be possible.

They universe is not perfect?



why not?

(April 5, 2014 at 11:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(April 5, 2014 at 10:54 pm)ThomM Wrote: But the big bang - which created a Universe of crowded galaxies that collide with each other - black holes - stars that burn out - and lots of other imperfections - cannot have been the result of the action of YOUR perfect god. A perfect being can ONLY create perfection - and an imperfect world is an example of something it could not create. And you cannot claim the world to be perfect.

OF course - if the god was perfect - it would not be almighty - since it could not create imperfection - so since it can - it must NOT be perfect.
Of course - if the god is ALL KNOWING - past - present and future - then there are things that god cannot do - ie - anything it does not already know - so for example it cannot change its mind. If it cannot change its mind - then creating a new covenant is not possible.

Example - if the god is all knowing - it knows about everything that will happen and is not able to change anything it already knows - because it would not then be all knowing. But then it would NOT be almighty since it cannot change anything it already knows. And of course - if it CAN do something it did not know it would do - then obviously is was not all knowing as well.

If you were to actually READ the bible - and write down a list of EVERYTHING the god is supposedly able to do - it would be obvious that they could not ALL be possible.

there are multi-purposes for God creating the universe. it's a fallacy that God's sole purpose in creating the universe is to provide a perfectly comfortable environment for life, especially human life.

What are the other purposes?

(April 5, 2014 at 9:45 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: God's creative hand is amazing

I don't think that there is a god so you'll have to give me some good evidence to change my mind.

(April 5, 2014 at 4:14 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(April 5, 2014 at 2:04 am)snowtracks Wrote: the big bang was a carefully crafted event;

Evidence.

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(April 5, 2014 at 2:04 am)snowtracks Wrote: we know this because the cosmos demonstrates it possesses objective meaning, purpose, and significance. One way God reveals himself is thru His creative work which is indirectly thru the senses.

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Circular reasoning, proof by assertion. Ignored.
Present evidence, not stupidity.

impossible to reason with your mind and conclude human life hasn't a nonphysical component. that truly is the epitome of circular reasoning.

snowtracks where did the universe come from?