(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: The search for happiness is the driving force behind new discoveries.
When you are completely happy you wouldn't have any reason to struggle. I earlier point out that physical science can not bring permanent happiness

As i just said above the lack of happiness is the driving force behind the search for new discoveries (science).

What scientific fields are you including in 'physical science'? How does theoretical physics relate to the search for happiness? Why wouldn't happy theoretical physicists want to continue making new discoveries in physics?

(April 15, 2014 at 9:35 am)enrico Wrote: 1) What is the inner meaning of philosophy?

Surely you know I can't tell you unless you know the secret handshake.

(April 15, 2014 at 9:35 am)enrico Wrote: 2) What is the difference between religion and spirituality?

Religion is a social delusion while spirituality is masturbatory.

(April 15, 2014 at 9:35 am)enrico Wrote: 3) Is life finite or continue after physical death?

Life continues on even after death. That is the point of sex.

(April 15, 2014 at 9:35 am)enrico Wrote: 4) Now please do not get upset if i ask this question knowing your
position in society and your qualifications.
You discover a huge nugget of gold worth at least a million but this nugget is covered in dog poo.
What you do?
Do you pick it up and make it yours or you leave it there for someone else to pick it up?

If there is really any gold there, wash it off silly. Of course if you continue to hold aloft your shiny nugget of poop while claiming it is really gold .. you may be a danger to yourself or others.

(April 15, 2014 at 11:04 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: What is the inner meaning? You mean: The meaning that you have given it and everyone else's definition is wrong. The definition from wikipedia says: Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.[1][2] Philosophy is distinguished from other ways of addressing such problems by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument.[3] In more casual speech, by extension, "philosophy" can refer to "the most basic beliefs, concepts, and attitudes of an individual or group".[4]

That is not the inner meaning boy.
That is one of the method to work in order to reach the goal.
There are other methods of course even more effective but i am not
talking about a method to get to the goal.
The inner meaning is the goal.
What ...........love for wisdom means?
What is wisdom?
How you get real wisdom?
Can you get real wisdom in this finite universe?
Of course not as the term finite imply that you can not reach 100% wisdom
so total wisdom can not be achieved in this finite universe.
Wisdom is total knowledge and total knowledge can only be achieve in an infinite stratum or place.
So the inner meaning of philosophy (love for wisdom) is to merge in that infinite stratum known by some as nirvana, paradise or samadhi.

(April 15, 2014 at 9:35 am)enrico Wrote: 2) What is the difference between religion and spirituality?

Quote:Religions involve worshipping a deity of some kind, usually involving reading some scripture or practicing some ritual regularly. Spirituality is different in that they don't have to worship anything. Both categories are overlapping and equally stupid.

You only got a limited idea about this issue.
Religion is external, spirituality is internal.
Externally you got nothing, internally you got everything.
God is you in a material form so spirituality is the effort to
understand who you really are.
In religion God is a separate entity that will always be separate
even in paradise.
In spirituality you are God and when you realize this there is no more
separation. This stage is the paradise the nirvana and the samadhi.
Religion get nowhere while spirituality get at the core of everything.
When a drop of water get into the ocean she become the ocean itself.

(April 15, 2014 at 9:35 am)enrico Wrote: 3) Is life finite or continue after physical death?

Quote:We don't know. However, there is no evidence to suggest that a persons mind continues after their body dies.

Good.
I am glad you change your mind about the life to be finite.
I shell reward you with a kudos for exit the corral of dogma
once in your life.
Try not to go back again in this ugly place boy.

(April 15, 2014 at 9:35 am)enrico Wrote: 4) Now please do not get upset if i ask this question knowing your
position in society and your qualifications.
You discover a huge nugget of gold worth at least a million but this nugget is covered in dog poo.
What you do?
Do you pick it up and make it yours or you leave it there for someone else to pick it up?

Quote:I would first spray off the shit with a power hose or something like that, then retrieve the golden nugget, assuming it hasn't been claimed already of course.

Sorry boy, no deal.
You haven't got the time to go and get a power hose because in the meantime someone else will get it.
Or you get it now with the crap on it or you loose.

Quote: I would love to hear the point you're trying to make here.

It is all about some of you guys that reckon that qualifications and degrees
mean everything.
The I control the mind and the mind control the body not the other way around.
Considering that physical science is below the mind that create it it is obvious that by relying on this science you wan't be able to get at the core of the all.
So you keep on dealing with crap instead of going at the core and get the real thing.

Pigeon chess anyone?

(April 16, 2014 at 9:32 am)Confused Ape Wrote:

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: The search for happiness is the driving force behind new discoveries.
When you are completely happy you wouldn't have any reason to struggle. I earlier point out that physical science can not bring permanent happiness

As i just said above the lack of happiness is the driving force behind the search for new discoveries (science).

What scientific fields are you including in 'physical science'?

Everything related to this physical universe and excluding what is not physical like the consciousness.

Quote:How does theoretical physics relate to the search for happiness?

When i am talking about happiness i intend total happiness.
Physically-materially you can get LIMITED happiness but everything limited
imply that man will have to continue the search for happiness for ever.
Today you buy a new car.
After short time a new model come up and your mind automatically loose the previous happiness in thinking how the new model is better than the one you just got.
From here we can establish that anything material physical can not give PERMANENT happiness.
And from here we can establish that all scientific achievement are also temporary form of happiness which can not solve human desire for infinite and permanent happiness.

Quote:Why wouldn't happy theoretical physicists want to continue making new discoveries in physics?

When the belly is full you don't feel to eat anymore.
At the same time when your mind find permanent happiness you got nothing else to discover.
You wouldn't be totally happy if there would be something missing.
It is obvious that when i say happy i mean permanent happiness due to
having reach the goal of life.

What is with the unpoetic stanza form?

(April 16, 2014 at 11:02 am)Kitanetos Wrote: What is with the unpoetic stanza form?

I chalk it up to him doing this with his brain.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:57 am)enrico Wrote: When the belly is full you don't feel to eat anymore.
At the same time when your mind find permanent happiness you got nothing else to discover.

You wouldn't be totally happy if there would be something missing.
It is obvious that when i say happy i mean permanent happiness due to
having reach the goal of life.

I've found a useful page with various quotes about enlightenment.

Enlightenment

Quote:There is an eternal, ever-present One Life beyond the myriad forms of life that are subject to birth and death. Many people use the word God to describe it; I often call it Being....To regain awareness of Being and to abide in that state of 'feeling-realization' is enlightenment.

--Eckhart Tolle

Is this the kind of thing you're talking about?

The page also has the following interesting quotation -

Quote:Enlightenment, liberation, is totally, utterly ordinary. It is not wonderful. It's not blissful, it is not the answer to everything. Life goes on. It goes on just as it did before. But the difference in liberation is the dropping away of any sense that there is anyone that life is happening to.

--Tony Parsons

I can't say that I've ever come across teachings about enlightenment being a state of permanent bliss where people are supposed to sit around like vegetables doing nothing.

The Dalai Lama wrote an interesting article about science which has fascinated him since he was a child in Tibet.

Our Faith In Science - By TENZIN GYATSO

Quote:If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change. In my view, science and Buddhism share a search for the truth and for understanding reality. By learning from science about aspects of reality where its understanding may be more advanced, I believe that Buddhism enriches its own worldview.

For many years now, on my own and through the Mind and Life Institute, which I helped found, I have had the opportunity to meet with scientists to discuss their work. World-class scientists have generously coached me in subatomic physics, cosmology, psychology, biology.

He then goes on to say that he regards neuroscience as being particularly important.

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: Not at all.
If you would remember the past posts you wouldn't ask me the same question again and again but here we are for more charity works.

I ask you the same questions again and again because you don't answer them.

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: Science go forward all the time but also the human desire to get out the physical-material sewer go forward.

What is the 'physical-material sewer' exactly?

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: To be more precise the material-physical part is not even the driving force
for humans to discover more science but this is something that you will learn later on when you will get out the mental corral of dogmas.

Do you understand what a dogma is?

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: I understand that you never left your small village in England so you are not aware of what happen outside in the global world.
The reality however is that most of the people living in Africa, Asia, central and south America can not afford medical health, education and of course enough food without even mentioning the new technologies and these people make about 80% of the global population.

When I asked you if you had pulled those statistics out of your ass, i was trying to provoke you into providing a citation to provide evidence that the statistics had indeed come from somewhere like a study. This attempt seems to have failed. Can you guess what i'm going to ask you for now?

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: The search for happiness is the driving force behind new discoveries.

Really? So Oppenhiemer was searching for hapiness when he made the atom bomb? So Darwin was searching for happiness when he came up with the theory of evolution, even though it caused severe unhappiness due to his christian beliefs?
Need I go on?

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: When you are completely happy you wouldn't have any reason to struggle.

This sentance doesn't make sense. Struggling with what? I have no idea what you are on about there. Besides, you don't choose to struggle, and happiness has nothing to do with it.

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: I earlier point out that physical science can not bring permanent happiness
nevertheless most people keep on dreaming that this is the way to go to find happiness

Really, what people are these?

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: so the search for happiness is totally relevant for the progression of science.
Wrong again boy.

Another waste of five minutes of my life, trying to decipher unintelligable assertions and fallacies.

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: I wonder when you ever understand what people are saying.
I instead said that physical science can not help to get people out the sewer therefore can only be regarded as an help to stay afloat.
In physical science there is no addendum ( add 1 to 0 = 1 this is an addendum while -1 + 1 = 0 does not add anything to you therefore it is only an help to stay afloat).
Let me explain in a different way so your limited intellect MAY understand.
Suppose you get sick.
In this case you loose your health.
Now Mr. PhysicalScience come to your help and cure you.
Is this an addendum to your normal status?
Of course not because by healing you you go back to your normal status
of health.

Oh dear....

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: Physical science would help you to progress if would be able to make a super man out of a normal man but this never happen.

Plenty of drugs are used on people without anything being wrong with them. Steriods for instance, taken illegally by athletes, increase energy, recovery and strength. Do you believe science is progressing now that i have shown you such an example?

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: As i just said above the lack of happiness is the driving force behind the search for new discoveries (science).
However it is an illusion to think that physical science can lead to progress.
Continuous births and death can only be stopped by spiritual progress not by physical science therefore this science can not bring real progress.

Really? So can you please go into detail about this? How exactly is 'spiritual progress' going to stop death? I think we'd all really be interested in hearing this. After you have explained how, you can go and get your nobel prize.

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(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: That is not the inner meaning boy.
That is one of the method to work in order to reach the goal.
There are other methods of course even more effective but i am not
talking about a method to get to the goal.
The inner meaning is the goal.
What ...........love for wisdom means?
What is wisdom?
How you get real wisdom?
Can you get real wisdom in this finite universe?
Of course not as the term finite imply that you can not reach 100% wisdom
so total wisdom can not be achieved in this finite universe.
Wisdom is total knowledge and total knowledge can only be achieve in an infinite stratum or place.
So the inner meaning of philosophy (love for wisdom) is to merge in that infinite stratum known by some as nirvana, paradise or samadhi.

OK, so i was right, the definition of philosophy is wrong because it isn't the same as yours.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: You only got a limited idea about this issue.
Religion is external, spirituality is internal.
Externally you got nothing, internally you got everything.
God is you in a material form so spirituality is the effort to
understand who you really are.
In religion God is a separate entity that will always be separate
even in paradise.
In spirituality you are God and when you realize this there is no more
separation. This stage is the paradise the nirvana and the samadhi.
Religion get nowhere while spirituality get at the core of everything.
When a drop of water get into the ocean she become the ocean itself.

And you know all this how? And you can provide evidence for this how?

Quote:We don't know. However, there is no evidence to suggest that a persons mind continues after their body dies.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: Good.
I am glad you change your mind about the life to be finite.
I shell reward you with a kudos for exit the corral of dogma
once in your life.
Try not to go back again in this ugly place boy.

I don't think you understand what I said. We don't know if there is life after death. But there is no evidence to suggest there is, so there is no justification for believing it.

We don't know if Sock Fairies steal our socks from the washing machine. But there is no evidence to suggest they do, so there is no justification for believing that.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: Sorry boy, no deal.
You haven't got the time to go and get a power hose because in the meantime someone else will get it.
Or you get it now with the crap on it or you loose.

Thats a bit of a false dichotomy. I'm going to need a few more details about this gold and poop if you are going to come up with such specific problems with my answer. Where is this poop covered gold? How many people are aware of its existence? How accessible is the gold?

Quote: I would love to hear the point you're trying to make here.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: It is all about some of you guys that reckon that qualifications and degrees
mean everything.
The I control the mind and the mind control the body not the other way around.
Considering that physical science is below the mind that create it it is obvious that by relying on this science you wan't be able to get at the core of the all.
So you keep on dealing with crap instead of going at the core and get the real thing.

Yea that makes no sense.

Qualifications don't mean everything. But they certainly are important. They let us know that the person speaking actually knows what they are talking about. They have passed tests by experts in a particular field and have demonstrated their aptitude at their subject. A person with qualifications is far more likely to know what they are talking about than someone who doesn't. If you heard a meteor was going to hit earth, which person would you be more likely to believe it from? A tramp or Stephen Hawkin? There is a very obvious answer here, lets see if you can get it.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:40 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote: Pigeon chess anyone?

Who doesn't love chicken chess.
Also I have a bet on how many times he's going to call someone "boy" in each page