(April 29, 2014 at 10:46 pm)te1148 Wrote:

(April 29, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Esquilax Wrote: I'll do you one better: my fiancee once spent a few months praying to god on a hospital bed, as her health got worse and worse, forgoing medicine because she had faith that god would get her through, and... nothing. No god. Not even once.

Please, do go ahead and tell me she just didn't have enough faith. She was only putting her life on the line, after all.

I would never assume she didn't have enough faith. A lot of Christians teach that with enough faith, anything is possible. I believe that it's not the amount of faith, but the object of faith that matters. But there are times when God in His wisdom chooses to say "no" to our requests, but that doesn't mean He wasn't there.

Is there a faith meter?? What amount of faith.. what the hell does that even mean??

(April 29, 2014 at 10:35 pm)te1148 Wrote: I care if you believe, but God cares even more.

Sure he does.

(April 29, 2014 at 10:35 pm)te1148 Wrote: Have you ever tried asking God to reveal Himself to you?

As a matter of fact, yes. I wasted far too much of my life in your insipid death cult.

(April 29, 2014 at 10:42 pm)Beccs Wrote: Out of curiouslty (and don't answer if it's too personal) is she okay now?

Sort of?

She's still dealing with her medical issues, but she's getting better. Thanks for asking.

te1148 Wrote:I would never assume she didn't have enough faith. A lot of Christians teach that with enough faith, anything is possible. I believe that it's not the amount of faith, but the object of faith that matters. But there are times when God in His wisdom chooses to say "no" to our requests, but that doesn't mean He wasn't there.

So then why ask if anyone has ever asked god to appear to them, if the answer doesn't matter to you?

(April 29, 2014 at 10:48 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Is there a faith meter?? What amount of faith.. what the hell does that even mean??

The units for faith are the mustard seed and the MM (moved mountain.)

I have a 4 sided die which gives answers as useful as answered prayer from God.
One side says yes, one says no, one says wait and one says screw it, the answer is whatever you want it to be.

(April 29, 2014 at 9:27 pm)te1148 Wrote:

(April 29, 2014 at 9:13 pm)Losty Wrote: The lack if evidence

There is more physical and testable evidence for many of the truths of Christianity, than many things that are almost universally believed. The resurrection of Christ, example was seen by hundreds of people. What keeps you from believing that?

Why when I said there was no evidence in a god, did you respond by asking me a new question?

(April 29, 2014 at 10:51 pm)JuliaL Wrote:

(April 29, 2014 at 10:48 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Is there a faith meter?? What amount of faith.. what the hell does that even mean??

The units for faith are the mustard seed and the MM (moved mountain.)

I have a 4 sided die which gives answers as useful as answered prayer from God.
One side says yes, one says no, one says wait and one says screw it, the answer is whatever you want it to be.

You use a d4? Dammit, I use a d20. On a 1 things get better as requested. On a 2-10 everything remains the same. On 11-20 everything gets worse and crashes like the Hindenburg!

(April 29, 2014 at 10:44 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Great, now we've got traction. This is actually a lot more than we usually get from resident theists, so you're earning points right out of the gate here.

(April 29, 2014 at 10:30 pm)te1148 Wrote: I believe out of faith. I certainly think there are evidences that support my faith, but my faith does not rest on these evidences.

Why depend on faith? If you have evidence, you don't need faith. You might have reasonable expectations based on the evidence, but since you've set up such a partition you don't even have those.

(April 29, 2014 at 10:30 pm)te1148 Wrote: I presuppose that God is there.

Fine. Do you ever test those presuppositions? For example, what do you know of your god's attributes and how do you know them?

(April 29, 2014 at 10:30 pm)te1148 Wrote: I don't think using evidences to point to God is very helpful.

Evidence is only a problem, usually handwaved away like this, to those who don't actually have any. If you or any theist actually had some copper-bottomed, compelling evidence for whatever god you're proposing, do you think you (or they) wouldn't come to places like this and parade it around like a show pony?

(April 29, 2014 at 10:30 pm)te1148 Wrote: I believe in God just like I believe my wife loves me. It's a part of who I am.

Again, fine. I'm more interested in what you can demonstrate to be true, as distinct from what you believe to be true.

I depend on faith, because I think faith is superior to reason. Reason rests in what my own mental faculties can comprehend. Also, I see a huge problem with what "facts". Facts are always interpreted and therefore subject to error. Also, I think my presuppositions are tested and proven true nearly every day. One of my presuppositions is that I am really sinful and don't deserve any good whatsoever. I believe that my sin has earned me eternal punishment in Hell, but by faith in Jesus, God gives me grace and shows me favor, instead of the punishment I deserve. I see that presupposition proven true every day.

I don't think there are any ways to prove 100% that God exists. God never seeks to prove that He exists. He just exists. Reason, intellect, and evidences are not enough.

(April 29, 2014 at 10:56 pm)te1148 Wrote: I depend on faith, because I think faith is superior to reason.

And that is your problem.

(April 29, 2014 at 10:56 pm)te1148 Wrote: I don't think there are any ways to prove 100% that God exists. God never seeks to prove that He exists. He just exists.

False.

(April 29, 2014 at 10:54 pm)Beccs Wrote: On 11-20 everything gets worse and crashes like the Hindenburg!

Your die is faulty. 9/20 things go to hell(sic)?
Get a new one.

(April 29, 2014 at 10:50 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(April 29, 2014 at 10:42 pm)Beccs Wrote: Out of curiouslty (and don't answer if it's too personal) is she okay now?

Sort of?

She's still dealing with her medical issues, but she's getting better. Thanks for asking.

te1148 Wrote:I would never assume she didn't have enough faith. A lot of Christians teach that with enough faith, anything is possible. I believe that it's not the amount of faith, but the object of faith that matters. But there are times when God in His wisdom chooses to say "no" to our requests, but that doesn't mean He wasn't there.

So then why ask if anyone has ever asked god to appear to them, if the answer doesn't matter to you?

What do you mean?