Why does god kill anyone?.

(May 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: After a few weeks off I return to a place where the atheist have become more vile in their ways toward Christians. Hatred breeds hatred and I see it in action here, so you want proof of things here it is and if you do not believe this then you are truly blind.

GC

Climb down off your soapbox already.

(May 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: After a few weeks off I return to a place where the atheist have become more vile in their ways toward Christians. Hatred breeds hatred and I see it in action here, so you want proof of things here it is and if you do not believe this then you are truly blind.

GC

This is funny. I could tell a few stories about vile hatred and cruel people. But I'll take a verse from your holy book and turn the other cheek.

Just kidding, I prefer to murder, rape, and pillage. Judges 21:10-24

(May 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: After a few weeks off I return to a place where the atheist have become more vile in their ways toward Christians. Hatred breeds hatred and I see it in action here, so you want proof of things here it is and if you do not believe this then you are truly blind.

How can you expect us not to act vile towards the vile? Are we supposed to just pretend you're not defending infant genocide?

Christians love to play the persecution card, but they never stop for a second to think that maybe, just maybe, their horrendous beliefs are a factor in their treatment.

(May 4, 2014 at 3:12 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I wonder, Lek...if atheism is "simply" the lack of belief in gods why do they get so bent out of shape and go out of their way to mock and revile Christians? Why does God kill babies? Hmmm. Why do atheists care?

It's because Christians glorify a being who intentionally and deliberately kills thousands of babies and children every day, oftentimes in really horrible and inhumane and (for a god) entirely preventable ways, but get bent all out of shape over abortion. It is so far beyond hypocritical that I lack the words to properly describe it.

It is one of those things that blows the idea of objective morals out of the water. The act doesn't matter. Who does the act, does.

(April 30, 2014 at 7:20 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote:

1. 1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
   
2. Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
   
3. Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.
   
4. Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
   
5. Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.
   
6. Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.
   
7. Mark 7:9 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.
   
8. Proverbs 13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14 & 29:15 God commands repeatedly that you beat your children.
   

I don't know just looking for justification.

Do not use the bible to justify your answer

You have the arrogance to pull verses from scripture and not allow the scriptures to be used in defense, then form now own I will not allow any references from scientific materials to be used in post when we pull things out of scientific material, what say you.
Now I'm going to disregard your stupid request.

1st Samuel 15:3 God swore to eliminate the Amalekites and He couldn't do this without the killing off the infants and children. What you do not understand is that these infants and children are part of eternity with God, unlike their parents. Those children are very glad they are going to always be with their creator, eternally happy. God makes provision for the innocent and the guilty.

Psalm 135: 8 This is part of a list of things done to free the Israelites and set them up in the land He promised, God is being praised for freeing Israel and placing them in the promised land. Of coarse the Israelites don't know God took the innocent to eternity, by the way many of the first born were adults, are you the first born of your father or is it one of your older siblings.

Psalm 136:10 Same as above

Psalm 137:9 This is a psalm written by a man in agony over what has happened to Israel, this is his wish for his enemies, not what God has commanded. You need to read and study what the scriptures actually say rather than post hearsay from what ever biased resource you can find that gives only hateful comments.

Leviticus 20:9 Please show us where you saw the words little children, also you need to understand the family structure and respect of those time. I know today's children believe it's okay to disrespect their parents but that's not the way these people lived and actually the children of today could learn a lesson from those children.

Judges 11:30-40 You are a liar, flat out a liar, God did not command this. Japhthah did what he thought he should and his daughter agreed with him. He wasn't correct in what he did in my opinion and if I'm not mistaken God had given a commandment for man not to swear an oath in His name. God never commanded this period, you mislead people by your lying and uninformed little mind. Remember that respect I was telling you about earlier in this post, even unto her death.

Isaiah 13:15-18 God did stir up the Medes to destroy Babylon, to punish Babylon for the treatment of Israel will they were in captivity. God did not say He would directly do these things to the Babylonians, He described through His prophet what the Medes would do to the Babylonians, He let them know the fierce nature of the Medes and what was coming from them.

Mark 7:9 Again you lie and intentionally, there is no other way to say it. If you can't understand what the verses from verse 5 to 13 state then you should just give up on your brain. Again lying to propagate ill will towards God and His people. Shame is what you should feel for being so dumb as to not understand those verses.

Proverbs 13:24 This is about discipline not beating, show m where the scripture calls for a beating. Again you are a liar and what you say from now own will carry no weight.

Proverbs 19:18 This verse reads. Discipline your son while there is hope,
And do not desire his death. Doesn't sound like a beating and the verse does not even state what the discipline should be.

Proverbs 22:15 The proverb states that foolish hearted children should be disciplined, foolishness usually leads to trouble, the proverb calls to help a child to avoid foolishness.

Proverb 23:13-14 The word translated beat in these verse is 'nakah' which means to strike lightly or severely, literally of figuratively. So the verse does not say which and taken in context of the other verses I do not believe it was meant as severely, even if it does mean severely the verse is about saving the child from hell.

Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom,
But a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother.
I've seen this proverb come to fruition more times than I care to count, it's even evident on this forum. Remember the respect thing I eluded to earlier in this post.
I see why you didn't want anyone looking to closely to these verses, they in themselves have made you out as the liar you are and scripture says this will happen to those who are like Proverbs 19:1 Better is a poor man who walks in integrity, than he who is perverse in speech and is a fool.

GC

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(May 5, 2014 at 5:52 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: That's ironic, coming from a hate-peddler.

Want to bring proof of that sonny boy.

GC

I'll reply only to one without touching too much on the glorification of genocide.

"1st Samuel 15:3 God swore to eliminate the Amalekites and He couldn't do this without the killing off the infants and children. What you do not understand is that these infants and children are part of eternity with God, unlike their parents. Those children are very glad they are going to always be with their creator, eternally happy. God makes provision for the innocent and the guilty."

How do you know? Have you talked to these children? Wouldn't it have been better to have let the children live, to be raised by the "good" Israelite people so that they could live long lives as "decent" people and earn their places by the side of the great evil . . . I mean your deity?

(May 5, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 4, 2014 at 2:18 am)Esquilax Wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, here we have exhibit A for how christianity turns you into a callous, infantile monster.

I'd like to reply to this and all the other scathing remarks about the above post. All I hear on this forum is how irrational christians are. Now this was a very rational statement and I get it for being callous. Christians believe in eternal life. If I die as an infant and I meet someone in heaven who died at 100 years old, I'm not going to be upset because he got to live longer than me. We both have eternity. In fact, I might be grateful that I died fast instead of suffering a long and painful death. If my kids died now, I would be devastated because I love them I'd miss them. In fact, I'll be devastated whenever they die. But I'd be happy to know that they're in heaven and living a joyous existence. To a christian life on earth is important, but it's only a minute part of our total existence.

As far as why God kills babies, all I said was my true thoughts. It's for the same reason he kills adults. Before mankind's sin, there was no death and afterwards there was death. Like I said, we don't know the mind of God. We're not allowed to murder and in fact we're commanded to love and care for our neighbors and even our enemies. We are to leave justice and vengeance to God and go on loving just as Jesus demonstrated.

Let's leave aside any talk of eternal life, for a moment. In fact, let's even grant the premise, and assume that heaven is real and all that. I don't care about any of that, and I didn't when I made my initial post either.

The problem I have here, the reason I feel that your religion has led you by the hand into a dereliction of your humanity and tricked you into thinking this is a good thing, is that there's a very real part of this situation that you are still shrugging off. A whole component of this issue that, as far as I can see, you don't even recognize exists.

It's this: you are considering a situation in which a child, an innocent, helpless child, is being subjected to lethal pain and suffering, and all you can think about is sin and how this is okay. You have expressed no empathy for that child, for the countless children toiling in unimaginable levels of suffering throughout all of human history, you don't even seem to understand that this is something worth empathizing with. It's needless suffering, after all; since the free will argument is null and void when it comes to infants there's no excuse for making them suffer in their final earthly moments, but that's what god does.

And you're okay with it. That's why I say you're a callous monster, and the fact that you didn't even know what I was talking about until I pointed it out just makes it worse.

GC Wrote:After a few weeks off I return to a place where the atheist have become more vile in their ways toward Christians. Hatred breeds hatred and I see it in action here, so you want proof of things here it is and if you do not believe this then you are truly blind.

If all we're doing is persecuting you, then fuck off and leave, you poor baby. Nobody is keeping you here, if it's so awful. The fact that you stay and come back is evidence enough that you're full of shit and just here to play pretend about being the victim.

Seriously, fucking leave. Nobody will miss you.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(April 30, 2014 at 7:20 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote:

1. 1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
   
2. Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
   
3. Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.
   
4. Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
   
5. Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.
   
6. Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.
   
7. Mark 7:9 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.
   
8. Proverbs 13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14 & 29:15 God commands repeatedly that you beat your children.
   

I don't know just looking for justification.

Do not use the bible to justify your answer

You have the arrogance to pull verses from scripture and not allow the scriptures to be used in defense, then form now own I will not allow any references from scientific materials to be used in post when we pull things out of scientific material, what say you.
Now I'm going to disregard your stupid request.

1st Samuel 15:3 God swore to eliminate the Amalekites and He couldn't do this without the killing off the infants and children. What you do not understand is that these infants and children are part of eternity with God, unlike their parents. Those children are very glad they are going to always be with their creator, eternally happy. God makes provision for the innocent and the guilty.

Psalm 135: 8 This is part of a list of things done to free the Israelites and set them up in the land He promised, God is being praised for freeing Israel and placing them in the promised land. Of coarse the Israelites don't know God took the innocent to eternity, by the way many of the first born were adults, are you the first born of your father or is it one of your older siblings.

Psalm 136:10 Same as above

Psalm 137:9 This is a psalm written by a man in agony over what has happened to Israel, this is his wish for his enemies, not what God has commanded. You need to read and study what the scriptures actually say rather than post hearsay from what ever biased resource you can find that gives only hateful comments.

Leviticus 20:9 Please show us where you saw the words little children, also you need to understand the family structure and respect of those time. I know today's children believe it's okay to disrespect their parents but that's not the way these people lived and actually the children of today could learn a lesson from those children.

Judges 11:30-40 You are a liar, flat out a liar, God did not command this. Japhthah did what he thought he should and his daughter agreed with him. He wasn't correct in what he did in my opinion and if I'm not mistaken God had given a commandment for man not to swear an oath in His name. God never commanded this period, you mislead people by your lying and uninformed little mind. Remember that respect I was telling you about earlier in this post, even unto her death.

Isaiah 13:15-18 God did stir up the Medes to destroy Babylon, to punish Babylon for the treatment of Israel will they were in captivity. God did not say He would directly do these things to the Babylonians, He described through His prophet what the Medes would do to the Babylonians, He let them know the fierce nature of the Medes and what was coming from them.

Mark 7:9 Again you lie and intentionally, there is no other way to say it. If you can't understand what the verses from verse 5 to 13 state then you should just give up on your brain. Again lying to propagate ill will towards God and His people. Shame is what you should feel for being so dumb as to not understand those verses.

Proverbs 13:24 This is about discipline not beating, show m where the scripture calls for a beating. Again you are a liar and what you say from now own will carry no weight.

Proverbs 19:18 This verse reads. Discipline your son while there is hope,
And do not desire his death. Doesn't sound like a beating and the verse does not even state what the discipline should be.

Proverbs 22:15 The proverb states that foolish hearted children should be disciplined, foolishness usually leads to trouble, the proverb calls to help a child to avoid foolishness.

Proverb 23:13-14 The word translated beat in these verse is 'nakah' which means to strike lightly or severely, literally of figuratively. So the verse does not say which and taken in context of the other verses I do not believe it was meant as severely, even if it does mean severely the verse is about saving the child from hell.

Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom,
But a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother.
I've seen this proverb come to fruition more times than I care to count, it's even evident on this forum. Remember the respect thing I eluded to earlier in this post.
I see why you didn't want anyone looking to closely to these verses, they in themselves have made you out as the liar you are and scripture says this will happen to those who are like Proverbs 19:1 Better is a poor man who walks in integrity, than he who is perverse in speech and is a fool.

GC

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(May 5, 2014 at 5:52 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: That's ironic, coming from a hate-peddler.

Want to bring proof of that sonny boy.

GC

You are a moron, I am asking you to justify your book! Your bible!

That is like asking the following

Christian: The bible is real.
Atheist: Why? Says who
Christian: Says my bible
(just used the book to prove the book was right)

Why would I allow such a one sided answer?

I used the verse because it is IN THE DAMN BOOK.

If you used your fake book, conversation would go like this

Atheist: Why does good kill babies like in these verses (Only reason verses were put into the question is because most christians don't read the bible, and probably would have no clue it is even in there!)

Christian: Because god said it was okay.


What kind of answer was that?

Give a real answer please use your damn brain.

(May 5, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Lek Wrote: I'd like to reply to this and all the other scathing remarks about the above post. All I hear on this forum is how irrational christians are. Now this was a very rational statement and I get it for being callous. Christians believe in eternal life. If I die as an infant and I meet someone in heaven who died at 100 years old, I'm not going to be upset because he got to live longer than me. We both have eternity. In fact, I might be grateful that I died fast instead of suffering a long and painful death. If my kids died now, I would be devastated because I love them I'd miss them. In fact, I'll be devastated whenever they die. But I'd be happy to know that they're in heaven and living a joyous existence. To a christian life on earth is important, but it's only a minute part of our total existence.

As far as why God kills babies, all I said was my true thoughts. It's for the same reason he kills adults. Before mankind's sin, there was no death and afterwards there was death. Like I said, we don't know the mind of God. We're not allowed to murder and in fact we're commanded to love and care for our neighbors and even our enemies. We are to leave justice and vengeance to God and go on loving just as Jesus demonstrated.

Would you, as a loving parent, kill your children because they were disobedient? That's what your god does. I don't understand how you guys can justify that behavior. It's downright sick.