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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 9:52 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 9:43 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (May 20, 2014 at 12:28 pm)Heywood Wrote: Today a friend whom I argue politics with lamented that he didn't care if humans destroyed the earth but that I should since I have children.
So that got me wondering. If future generations have a right to a clean and livable earth why don't they have a right to exist? Essentially a conclusion of the pro abortion movement is that future people don't have a right to exist. The right of existence only comes into being after one is born. Well if they don't have a right to exist then they certainly don't have a right to a clean and livable earth.
How does someone who is pro abortion justify fighting against global warming? Do not the rights and needs of the people today supersede the rights and need of future people? You're wrong abortion doesn't mean future people don't have the right to exist.
If future people have a right to exist, why then does a woman's unborn offspring not have a right to exist?
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 9:54 pm
(This post was last modified: May 20, 2014 at 9:55 pm by Bad Wolf.)
He's just ignoring me now 
(May 20, 2014 at 9:52 pm)Heywood Wrote: If future people have a right to exist, why then does a woman's unborn offspring not have a right to exist?
Jesus TittyFucking Christ, go back and read my post on page 2
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 10:07 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 9:54 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: He's just ignoring me now
(May 20, 2014 at 9:52 pm)Heywood Wrote: If future people have a right to exist, why then does a woman's unborn offspring not have a right to exist?
Jesus TittyFucking Christ, go back and read my post on page 2
You can always bump the post up to this page. 
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 10:13 pm
What? So he can ignore that as well? Not worth the bother.
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 10:17 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 10:13 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: What? So he can ignore that as well? Not worth the bother.
It seems your position is that the unborn do have a right to exist but a woman's right to self determination of her body supersedes that right.
Do I understand your position correctly?
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 10:24 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 10:17 pm)Heywood Wrote: It seems your position is that the unborn do have a right to exist but a woman's right to self determination of her body supersedes that right.
Do I understand your position correctly?
Yes, there we go!
Now that I've got your attention, i'm going to confront you with a hypothetical scenario.
In one hand you are holding a 8 month old baby, in the other you are holding a petri dish containing a human zygote. You have to drop one of them. Which one do you drop?
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 10:31 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 10:24 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (May 20, 2014 at 10:17 pm)Heywood Wrote: It seems your position is that the unborn do have a right to exist but a woman's right to self determination of her body supersedes that right.
Do I understand your position correctly?
Yes, there we go!
Now that I've got your attention, i'm going to confront you with a hypothetical scenario.
In one hand you are holding a 8 month old baby, in the other you are holding a petri dish containing a human zygote. You have to drop one of them. Which one do you drop?
If I have to drop one, I drop the zygote because I value the 8 month old more than I value the zygote.
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm
Why do you value the baby more than the zygote?
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 10:55 pm
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(May 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Why do you value the baby more than the zygote?
Maybe I shouldn't....but I do.
Let me ask you a hypothetical. Suppose two mothers and two nursing babies are on a plane. The plane crashes. One mother's baby is killed and one baby's mother is killed. It will be one month before the surviving woman and baby are rescued. There is plenty of food for the woman but it is none of it is suitable for the baby.
During that month does the surviving woman have a moral obligation to nurse the surviving baby.....or can she refuse on the grounds of her body her choice?
I'm looking to see if you are consistent with your position that a woman's right to self determination of her body supersedes another's right to exist.
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Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 11:11 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 10:55 pm)Heywood Wrote: (May 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Why do you value the baby more than the zygote?
Maybe I shouldn't....but I do.
Let me ask you a hypothetical. Suppose two mothers and two nursing babies are on a plane. The plane crashes. One mother's baby is killed and one baby's mother is killed. It will be one month before the surviving woman and baby are rescued. There is plenty of food for the woman but it is none of it is suitable for the baby.
During that month does the surviving woman have a moral obligation to nurse the surviving baby.....or can she refuse on the grounds of her body her choice?
I'm looking to see if you are consistent with your position that a woman's right to self determination of her body supersedes another's right to exist.
That's funny, you yourself just agreed that a zygote has less "right to exist" than a baby or by extension an adult.
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