Artur Axmann Wrote:Yes, rational thinking can exist without believing in god ,but up to a point.

Rational thinking cannot be totally explained in materialistic terms because it's evolution cannot be explained soley on a purely natural basis.

Yes, it can. I don't know why you think otherwise.

Quote:Perception by evolutionary principles ,must evolve from sentient being or beings.

Again, untrue.

Quote:Human consciousness must serve the evolutionary process in ways other than the mechanical process of instinct.

Why?

Quote:Good and evil come about as a result and thusly form the religion basis to human existence.

"Good" and "evil" are human constructs and are subjective to our definitions. They do not exist objectively outside of our societies.

If you want more information on the evolution of human consciousness, this video is a good start.





EDIT: If you don't want to listen to the talk, there is this paper you could read, instead. http://www.academia.edu/1610087/Evolutio...sciousness

(May 27, 2014 at 8:07 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote:

(May 27, 2014 at 7:52 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Can you do so in terms of anything demonstrable?

You can...Try painting..

Trying painting on the canvas of your mind..

What are your perceptions of the world around you.

What ideas ,what beliefs , what feelings are you experiencing?
none of this would be possible if you did not possess the capacity for consciousness..

No shit! Really?

Can you *account* for it with something demonstrable?

(May 27, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(May 27, 2014 at 8:07 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: You can...Try painting..

Trying painting on the canvas of your mind..

What are your perceptions of the world around you.

What ideas ,what beliefs , what feelings are you experiencing?
none of this would be possible if you did not possess the capacity for consciousness..

No shit! Really?

Can you *account* for it with something demonstrable?

pick up a brush and paint something.. do a self portrait.

and label it accordingly. make it accountable ..

(May 27, 2014 at 8:34 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote:

(May 27, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: No shit! Really?

Can you *account* for it with something demonstrable?

pick up a brush and paint something.. do a self portrait.

and label it accordingly. make it accountable ..

Clearly we are not on the same page here.

(May 27, 2014 at 8:27 pm)Beccs Wrote: I notice my comments are being ignored by the OP.

Every thread I've seen him participating in, I've tried to count the number of women he responds to because I thought I noticed a pattern. I think he might just... ignore women?

(May 27, 2014 at 8:35 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(May 27, 2014 at 8:34 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: pick up a brush and paint something.. do a self portrait.

and label it accordingly. make it accountable ..

Clearly we are not on the same page here.

what do you want to know?

you are what you think.
I think therefore I am..
any help?

Beccs Wrote:I notice my comments are being ignored by the OP.

Mine, too, it seems. :/

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rexbeccarox Wrote:Every thread I've seen him participating in, I've tried to count the number of women he responds to because I thought I noticed a pattern. I think he might just... ignore women?

Pathetic.

(May 27, 2014 at 8:39 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(May 27, 2014 at 8:27 pm)Beccs Wrote: I notice my comments are being ignored by the OP.

Every thread I've seen him participating in, I've tried to count the number of women he responds to because I thought I noticed a pattern. I think he might just... ignore women?

Seems that way. Do we have a misogynistic little troll here?

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(May 27, 2014 at 8:34 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote:

(May 27, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: No shit! Really?

Can you *account* for it with something demonstrable?

pick up a brush and paint something.. do a self portrait.

and label it accordingly. make it accountable ..

Are you going to answer ANY of the women, child?

So, Artur Axmann, anything to say?

I refute your argument that human consciousness could not have arisen solely through natural, biological processes and that if it did, rational thought cannot exist.

Thoughts?

(May 27, 2014 at 8:27 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Despite the excessive length of the OP, the argument has merit but needs a nuanced approach to what rationality entails.

You mean" nuanced "as in the approach that atheism takes?