(May 31, 2014 at 3:56 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 3:45 pm)Irrational Wrote: I gain a lot by sticking to what the evidence alone tells me as I don't have to restrict how I live according to ideas for which there is no evidence anyway.

I see no reason to live my life going regularly to church and singing praises to Jesus for the same reason I see no reason going to the mosque to pray to Allah. Nor do I see a reason to avoid certain foods/practices/activities purely for religious purposes. The evidence is lacking. So why should I restrict my life for something that's far from probable and knowing that it doesn't even necessarily have to be the God you claim to follow(I see you did not address this part of my argument)?

You speak of odds. Well, great. The odds are extremely low that heaven or hell exist anyway. And I'm actually being generous by not arguing that it's impossible for heaven or hell to exist.

but you don't explain: what exactly are you restricting yourself of ..

What are you being asked to give up?

Nothing!!

And then you compulsively contradict yourself immediately:

(May 31, 2014 at 3:56 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: Most atheists are not really atheists but are looking for something to justify something society looks at as abnormal.

Source your claims. What are you accusing atheists of? Where is your proof? Where's the source of your information?

(May 31, 2014 at 3:56 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: Atheism provides that psychic cover .. at some point when the abnormality eases or goes away entirely then they start becoming more intellectually active and this is where we hear of deathbed conversions.

What's a "psychic cover," the tinfoil hat you wear to bed every night?

We've asked you repeatedly to support your claims, you can't do it, and you're over there claiming intellectual activity? We can hear your brainwave monitor flatlining from here.

(May 31, 2014 at 3:56 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: but you don't explain: what exactly are you restricting yourself of ..

What are you being asked to give up?

Nothing!!

You certain? If you don't have to give up anything for Jesus, that might put you in big trouble according to many fundamentalist Christians out there. Remember, eternity is a long time, right?

And besides, if I don't have to give up anything, fine. What's the problem then? I'll just continue to live the way I see fit to live without having to worry about what religious dogma commands me to do.

Also, you still didn't comment on the possibility that it might not be your God that exists. Then what?

There are a lot of holes with your argument. And speaking of "intellectually active", it's not particularly intellectual.

(May 31, 2014 at 3:57 pm)rasetsu Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: O.K . so let's just say , You are right and I'm wrong ..

Okay. Many Hindus like me believe that being Christian or Muslim "just in case" will condemn you to an eternity of suffering being reborn in Samsara and never becoming enlightened.

(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: What have you really GAINED?

I come one step closer to moksa, release from suffering.

(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: But you are putting yourself at a greater risk,because If I'm right and you are in fact WRONG!

Then you have an endless eternity in pain and misery to deal with.

You face an eternity of suffering for being wrong and not being a Hindu, so, no difference there.

(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: its the risk/reward ratio you have to deal with.

Which you've monumentally erred in calculating. Turns out, you have as much reason to become a Hindu.

Are you going to become a Hindu... in case you're wrong?

we can dismiss all other world religions ,including anamist and all the cults through the process of elimination.

the other religions can't even come close to addressing the spiritual needs of an individual and even on the basis of rational thought.

no other religion can do this but Christianity ; and at the same time further the progression of culture and civilization.

sorry bout that, muslims and scientologists , and cow dung consumers
and all you sweet loving compassionate voodoo haitians go back to the hell hole you came from.

(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: O.K . so let's just say , You are right and I'm wrong ..

What have you really GAINED?

The time that christians spend in church, the money I might otherwise have spent on tithes, a rational universe that I don't have to constantly fear will suddenly change at the whim of a capricious deity, the knowledge that I spent my life actually doing things to make the world a better place, rather than just waiting for the super happy next life to happen.

That's what I gain, off the top of my head. There's probably more.

Quote:But you are putting yourself at a greater risk,because If I'm right and you are in fact WRONG!

Then you have an endless eternity in pain and misery to deal with.

And if you're wrong and some other religion is right? Are you worried about that at all?

What if the god that exists rewards atheists and punishes christians? Worried about that? It has the same chance of being true as christianity, given that we have no evidence for either. Are you worried, Artur? Or are you demonstrating your unwarranted presuppositions again?

Quote:its the risk/reward ratio you have to deal with.

In fact many atheists do exactly that. and that's why we have so many deathbed confessions. and conversions. its called covering your bases and your arses.

Quote:Most atheists are not really atheists but are looking for something to justify something society looks at as abnormal.

Telling atheists what they think for them?



Seriously, fuck off, if that's the direction you're actually going to take. Because if you're going to assert that without evidence, then guess what? Most of whatever religion you are, don't actually believe in that religion. They're just lying to cover for their abnormalities.

I can play the unjustifiable assertion game too, fuckwad.

(May 31, 2014 at 4:06 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: we can dismiss all other world religions ,including anamist and all the cults through the process of elimination.

the other religions can't even come close to addressing the spiritual needs of an individual and even on the basis of rational thought.

no other religion can do this but Christianity ; and at the same time further the progression of culture and civilization.

Go on, pull the other one...

(May 31, 2014 at 4:06 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: we can dismiss all other world religions ,including anamist and all the cults through the process of elimination.

the other religions can't even come close to addressing the spiritual needs of an individual and even on the basis of rational thought.

no other religion can do this but Christianity ; and at the same time further the progression of culture and civilization.

Fixed it for you.

(May 31, 2014 at 4:06 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 3:57 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Okay. Many Hindus like me believe that being Christian or Muslim "just in case" will condemn you to an eternity of suffering being reborn in Samsara and never becoming enlightened.

I come one step closer to moksa, release from suffering.

You face an eternity of suffering for being wrong and not being a Hindu, so, no difference there.

Which you've monumentally erred in calculating. Turns out, you have as much reason to become a Hindu.

Are you going to become a Hindu... in case you're wrong?

we can dismiss all other world religions ,including anamist and all the cults through the process of elimination.

the other religions can't even come close to addressing the spiritual needs of an individual and even on the basis of rational thought.

no other religion can do this but Christianity ; and at the same time further the progression of culture and civilization.

sorry bout that, muslims and scientologists , and cow dung consumers
and all you sweet loving compassionate voodoo haitians go back to the hell hole you came from.

Since the earlier attempts at rational discourse aren't getting through the lead lining of your scull:

Don't you think it's time to give up the Christian values that allow you to molest preteen boys?

You're their Scoutmaster, Artur. Those boys trusted you. How can you continue molesting them every camping trip, sometimes in the pews of the church where you hold meetings and you still justify it by going to confessional?

Don't you think it's time for a secular worldview where you can't justify your pedophilia as excusable, Artur?

Did you just say we can eliminate all other religions except Christianity based on rational thought? Come to think of it, did you just use the word rational thought? I don't think it means what you think it means.

Now I'm starting to feel really bad for the OP. He's getting a heavy beating around here.

It's the game he chose.