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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
May 30, 2014 at 2:12 am
(May 29, 2014 at 9:28 am)LostLocke Wrote: Huh...
No where in that article was the phrase "life suffocating atmosphere" found  "The Earth formed with the Sun 4.6 billion years ago. At this point, it was nothing more than a molten ball of rock surrounded by an atmosphere of hydrogen and helium" - no oxygen.
http://www.universetoday.com/26659/earth...tmosphere/
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May 30, 2014 at 2:19 am
(May 30, 2014 at 2:12 am)snowtracks Wrote: (May 29, 2014 at 9:28 am)LostLocke Wrote: Huh...
No where in that article was the phrase "life suffocating atmosphere" found :thinking: "The Earth formed with the Sun 4.6 billion years ago. At this point, it was nothing more than a molten ball of rock surrounded by an atmosphere of hydrogen and helium" - no oxygen.
http://www.universetoday.com/26659/earth...tmosphere/
Quote:As the Earth cooled enough to form a solid crust (4.4 billion years ago), it was covered with active volcanos. These volcanos spewed out gasses, like water vapor, carbon dioxide and ammonia. This early toxic atmosphere was nothing like the atmosphere we have today.
Light from the Sun broke down the ammonia molecules released by volcanos, releasing nitrogen into the atmosphere. Over billions of years, the quantity of nitrogen built up to the levels we see today.
Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/26659/earth...z33B2tu9GS
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May 30, 2014 at 2:20 am
(May 30, 2014 at 2:00 am)Esquilax Wrote: (May 30, 2014 at 1:04 am)snowtracks Wrote: not exactly a cogent argument but an interesting story of how perceptions can change as time goes by.
"I suddenly stopped and looked out at the sea and thought, my God, how beautiful this is ... for 26 years I had never really looked at it before."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1071693/posts
What is this, that you're doing here? Why do you think someone being wrong about something would change my mind? the emphasis is on 'perceptions' and the story, not about you changing...at ease, carry on.
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May 30, 2014 at 2:28 am
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I had an NDE where I witnessed a loved one die in front of me. The experience was so strong that it took almost more than six months for the feelings of loss on waking, vivid dreams, and being convinced at some level they had actually died and I was in a coma.
For the first week in the hospital, (heavily medicated and under daily MRI observation due to likelihood of slipping into a coma) I had to overcome the conviction that she was not actually dead every time I woke up alone, or was dead and I was hallucinating her when she returned.
Is this evidence that I have a ghost sitting next to me right now, or am actually still in a coma, or that I suffered a traumatic injury that caused the brain to hallucinate?
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May 30, 2014 at 5:36 am
(May 28, 2014 at 1:11 am)snowtracks Wrote: a non-supporting life universe would be less complex?
If god exists outside of the universe and creates the universe, there should be no scenario in which he cannot create life. Therefore, the universe does not need fine-tuning in order to support life. If the universe requires fine-tuning to support life, then god could not have created it. He must have found it after another god created it, or it was there all along and he isn't necessary for it (or life) to develop.
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May 30, 2014 at 11:22 am
And since God could have life in any sort of universe at all, the odds that God would choose this particular univers to create is about one in infinity.
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May 31, 2014 at 9:56 pm
(May 30, 2014 at 2:28 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: I had an NDE where I witnessed a loved one die in front of me. The experience was so strong that it took almost more than six months for the feelings of loss on waking, vivid dreams, and being convinced at some level they had actually died and I was in a coma.
For the first week in the hospital, (heavily medicated and under daily MRI observation due to likelihood of slipping into a coma) I had to overcome the conviction that she was not actually dead every time I woke up alone, or was dead and I was hallucinating her when she returned.
Is this evidence that I have a ghost sitting next to me right now, or am actually still in a coma, or that I suffered a traumatic injury that caused the brain to hallucinate? these nde are generally thought of as falling into 3 categories : 1. neuro-psychological - brain is malfunctioning in some way, aka, oxygen deprivation, endorphins being released, etc. 2. psychological nature of person - caused by perhaps a defense mechanism or shock. person is have a troubling psychological experience. these two categories percentagewise together account perhaps for 95%. 3 meta-physical in nature - secular skepticism would serve well here. one thing for sure, messages interpreted to be from God would be bogus; however, could be originating from a spiritual deception source.
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June 1, 2014 at 6:41 am
Demonstrate this 'spiritual deception source'
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
June 1, 2014 at 6:44 am
(June 1, 2014 at 6:41 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Demonstrate this 'spiritual deception source'
Before you do that, demonstrate a spirit. Let's not put illusory carts before the fantasy horse, here. 
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June 1, 2014 at 1:02 pm
(May 31, 2014 at 9:56 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (May 30, 2014 at 2:28 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: I had an NDE where I witnessed a loved one die in front of me. The experience was so strong that it took almost more than six months for the feelings of loss on waking, vivid dreams, and being convinced at some level they had actually died and I was in a coma.
For the first week in the hospital, (heavily medicated and under daily MRI observation due to likelihood of slipping into a coma) I had to overcome the conviction that she was not actually dead every time I woke up alone, or was dead and I was hallucinating her when she returned.
Is this evidence that I have a ghost sitting next to me right now, or am actually still in a coma, or that I suffered a traumatic injury that caused the brain to hallucinate? these nde are generally thought of as falling into 3 categories : 1. neuro-psychological - brain is malfunctioning in some way, aka, oxygen deprivation, endorphins being released, etc. 2. psychological nature of person - caused by perhaps a defense mechanism or shock. person is have a troubling psychological experience. these two categories percentagewise together account perhaps for 95%. 3 meta-physical in nature - secular skepticism would serve well here. one thing for sure, messages interpreted to be from God would be bogus; however, could be originating from a spiritual deception source.
Why do experiences of God deserve special consideration?
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We know for a fact these experiences are originating within the brain, and mine can be dismissed with a psychological explanation, yet if I had told you I saw winged angels and pearly gates you'd unquestioningly accept it as evidence for the supernatural?
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