(June 6, 2014 at 2:55 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:52 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Is there a reason I'm being ignored whenever I post something to you, OP?

Yes, because he doesn't actually have a response.

All he has is the 'Gish Gallup'.

Nothing more to see here, move along...

If you are leaving, leave; why manipulate others into going with you?

(June 6, 2014 at 2:51 pm)mickiel Wrote: Entropy, the deterioration of matter.

Yes...entropy.

Eventually, 1 of 2 things will happen:

1) a "big crunch" scenario, where the expansion of the universe reverses, and all existence coalesces, under gravity, into an extremely hot, dense state, and the universe, for all intents and purposes, dies

or more likely

2) the heat-death of the universe, where expansion continues indefinitely, the stars all eventually flicker out, eventually black holes "evaporate", and even the protons in atoms start to expand away from each other, and matter will not exist.



Some "creator" you have there lol

(June 6, 2014 at 2:50 pm)LostLocke Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:44 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: There's already 13 pages to this thread.

When are you going to start?

I don't think he will, considering every counter point we mention he ignores and moves on to another unrelated point.

We can focus on any one point you like.

(June 6, 2014 at 2:57 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:55 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Yes, because he doesn't actually have a response.

All he has is the 'Gish Gallup'.

Nothing more to see here, move along...

If you are leaving, leave; why manipulate others into going with you?

I was making a joke.

I'm not going to leave. You and your high school level philosophy, and fallacy laden posts are pretty entertaining.

So, carry on....

(June 6, 2014 at 2:58 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:50 pm)LostLocke Wrote: I don't think he will, considering every counter point we mention he ignores and moves on to another unrelated point.

We can focus on any one point you like.

Well, let's get the important part out of the way first, then: do you understand the difference between evidence and assertion?

(June 6, 2014 at 2:57 pm)ThePinsir Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:51 pm)mickiel Wrote: Entropy, the deterioration of matter.

Yes...entropy.

Eventually, 1 of 2 things will happen:

1) a "big crunch" scenario, where the expansion of the universe reverses, and all existence coalesces, under gravity, into an extremely hot, dense state, and the universe, for all intents and purposes, dies

or more likely

2) the heat-death of the universe, where expansion continues indefinitely, the stars all eventually flicker out, eventually black holes "evaporate", and even the protons in atoms start to expand away from each other, and matter will not exist.



Some "creator" you have there lol

I agree, he designed all matter to come to an end, and because it is, just another proof of him.

(June 6, 2014 at 2:51 pm)mickiel Wrote: Entropy, the deterioration of matter.

Why don't you please spare us your "100 proofs of God" crap. Isn't proof from paleontology next? Irreducible complexity? God in all cultures? Science as a proof of God? Archaeology? Unseen power manipulating humans? Sound familiar?

(June 6, 2014 at 2:59 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:58 pm)mickiel Wrote: We can focus on any one point you like.

Well, let's get the important part out of the way first, then: do you understand the difference between evidence and assertion?

Evidence is something that gives signs of proof, and I have given a lot of those signs, they are being ignored or dismissed as not being evidence. It supports proof.

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(June 6, 2014 at 3:00 pm)Cato Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:51 pm)mickiel Wrote: Entropy, the deterioration of matter.

Why don't you please spare us your "100 proofs of God" crap. Isn't proof from paleontology next? Irreducible complexity? God in all cultures? Science as a proof of God? Archaeology? Unseen power manipulating humans? Sound familiar?

Yes it does, I been doing it for years in many places;

including this one;
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showth...hp?t=27218

but each time I do it, it changes a lot.

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(June 6, 2014 at 3:00 pm)Cato Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:51 pm)mickiel Wrote: Entropy, the deterioration of matter.

Why don't you please spare us your "100 proofs of God" crap. Isn't proof from paleontology next? Irreducible complexity? God in all cultures? Science as a proof of God? Archaeology? Unseen power manipulating humans? Sound familiar?

Course now if you are saying I am not welcome here, you have but to ask, and I will leave,

(June 6, 2014 at 3:02 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:59 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Well, let's get the important part out of the way first, then: do you understand the difference between evidence and assertion?

Evidence is something that gives signs of proof, and I have given a lot of those signs, they are being ignored or dismissed as not being evidence. It supports proof.

Evidence can be demonstrated to be true, assertions are claims that cannot, or have not yet.

"Evolution cannot create consciousness" is an assertion, and yet you labelled it as evidence. To support it with evidence you would have to demonstrate why this is so using things from the real world. But if you just say it, you've only made an assertion, and as I've said, assertions are cheap. Assertions are trivial. Anyone can make any assertion they like.

The stuff you're saying has no evidence in it, and we aren't required to accept it based on just the fact that you said it. Because assertions are easy.

God does not exist, and the evidence for that is consciousness.

There, I've just made an assertion. Do you find that compelling?

No? Then why on earth would we find your assertions any more appealing than that? Because all you've done, for the most part, is said "X is proof of god, and Y is proof of god." Sometimes you add "because I can't see how natural things could do that," but the fact that you can't think of something also isn't compelling.

You've gone beyond god of the gaps now. You're literally taking any object or concept and saying it's evidence of a god.

The period at the end of this sentence - proof of god.
The diarrhea I had last week - proof of god.
Emperor Sargon - proof of god.
That football game I lost sophomore year of highschool - proof of god.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's 7th Mr. Olympia win - proof of god to OP.


Dude, you need to learn the difference between "assertion" and "evidence".