(August 15, 2014 at 3:54 am)Riketto Wrote:

(August 14, 2014 at 12:14 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g., faith unfaithful kept him falsely true ). [/i]

If you don't understand the meaning of the term CONTRADICTORY then you wouldn't know the meaning of the word OXYMORON.
What is contradictory in anyone thinking that God does not exist?
An atheist think that God does not exist but at the same time he-she proceed toward God so God exist despite the believe that he does not exist.
This is highly CONTRADICTORY mister therefore i can say that atheism is an oxymoron.

Still not an oxymoron.

You just can't accept being wrong about anything, can you? That's sad.

"He is perfectly happy with his knowledge of the unknowable!"

now can we all get some sleep...

(August 15, 2014 at 9:41 am)ignoramus Wrote: "He is perfectly happy with his knowledge of the unknowable!"

now can we all get some sleep...

I'm still enjoying this topic so why can't I continue to post in it if I want to?

(August 15, 2014 at 4:28 am)Confused Ape Wrote: Yoga is an ancient technique for exploring things which now come under the heading of psychology. The person who wrote that other article I quoted about Intuitional Science obviously has some idea that it comes under the heading of psychology because he said that intuition is a form of cognition. He also used the term psycho-spiritual.

Humans are stuck in the physical-psycho world therefore it is obvious that the body and the mind are involved when spirituality take place.
When Sarkar explained that the .......the mind becomes apexed, pinnacled........he means that through spirituality you are able to control the mind so the mind stop wondering around and get concentrated allow you to go ahead with spirituality.
A mind that is not concentrate is like a mad monkey running from place to place preventing the concentration.
The psychological factor can not lead to spiritual progress as a hard drive of a computer can not add anything new to what you already add to it but when does not interfere with your concentration it will allow you to perform the spirituality unhindered.
The body too is important to allow you to engaged in spirituality but again like the mind or psychological factor they are not those who are doing the spiritual progress.
They only remove the obstacle that hindered the spiritual progress.

Quote:Going by that, Sarkar wasn't concerned about what animals might have got up to in past lives. He taught that animals' lives are dear to them and we should be concerned about their welfare in their current lives.

It wouldn't sound nice to tell that the Jews holocaust was the direct consequence of crimes perpetrated in previous lives by these people or tell that a lovely girl was raped and killed because in previous life she was a man that did the same horrible thing to somebody else.
As you get deep in Sarkar philosophy you may understand a bit better how the system works.
In the meantime try not to rush to quick judgement.

Quote:This topic has run for 113 pages. You've had many opportunities to mention Neohumanism and the PCAP organisation but you didn't. Why not?

It is up to you to investigate these issues if you like.
I am not here to preach or to proselytizing.
When you will feel like entering the spiritual world then you will search and search until you will find what will give an answer to your question.

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(August 15, 2014 at 8:36 am)rasetsu Wrote: Still not an oxymoron. You just can't accept being wrong about anything, can you? That's sad.

Very sad indeed yogini.
You never study Latin nor you understand any of the Latin derivation like Italian, French or Spanish so you haven't got a clue what is the meaning of the word CONTRADICTORY.
In-CONTRO it means meeting.
S-CONTRO means bumping each other head on.
Contra-dittorio (contra-dictory) means two opposed stance.
Now in theory an atheist has got an opposed stance to the believe that God exist but in reality this believe doesn't make any sense.
It is like to say that a drop of water is not attracted to the sun and in this way loosing her individuality.
Of course it is and of course it would be a contradict to say that the sun does not attract the water.
In the same way it is a contradict to say that God does not attract everybody to Him.
If peace of mind would exist in this physical world then we could say that God does not exist as all we need is here but here is not therefore we need to cross the physical-mental border to get that peace of mind and happiness that quench our thirst.
You can put a brake to your believe that God does not exist but that does not make any sense as it wouldn't make any sense for a drop of water to pretend that she is not attracted by the sun.
I understand that philosophy is not part of your mental world but at least don't come out with this garbage and sink even more in the mental smallness in which you already are.

(August 16, 2014 at 9:07 am)Riketto Wrote: Humans are stuck in the physical-psycho world therefore it is obvious that the body and the mind are involved when spirituality take place.
When Sarkar explained that the .......the mind becomes apexed, pinnacled........he means that through spirituality you are able to control the mind so the mind stop wondering around and get concentrated allow you to go ahead with spirituality.

But he still called it psychology.

(August 16, 2014 at 9:07 am)Riketto Wrote: The psychological factor can not lead to spiritual progress as a hard drive of a computer can not add anything new to what you already add to it but when does not interfere with your concentration it will allow you to perform the spirituality unhindered.

The Ananda Marga Garakula site is Ananda Marga's educational branch. At the bottom of one of the website pages is this - Newsletter Issue 38

Quote:The real meaning of education is trilateral development – simultaneous development in the physical, mental and spiritual realms of human existence. This development should enhance the integration of the human personality. By this, dormant human potentialities will be awakened and put to proper use. Educated are those who have learnt much, remembered much and made use of their learning in practical life.

Emphasis should be given to moral education and the inculcation of idealism – not only philosophy and traditions. The practice of morality should be the most important subject in the syllabus at all levels.

The sense of universalism should also be awakened in the child. Etiquette and refined behaviour are not enough. Real education leads to a pervasive sense of love and compassion for all creation.

Shrii PR Sarkar

I then looked up what courses Garakula is running - Faculties.

Quote:Neohumanist Education
Yoga and Intuitional Science
Integrated Medicine
Socio-Economics (Prout)
Science of Microvita
Psychology
Women’s Studies
Philosophy
Music
Fine Arts
Ecology

Then there's the aims of the educational branch.

Quote:The blueprint for Ánanda Márga Gurukula includes over fifty faculties spanning the arts and sciences: from fine arts, literature, languages and history to physics, biology, medicine and engineering. Non-traditional subject areas are also included, such as intuitional science, morality, astrophysics, astrology, biopsychology and parapsychology to name just a few. The all-round self-development of the student is fundamental across all areas of study. Both theoretical and applied study is included in all disciplines with a focus on the application of learning to contemporary problems facing society: political, economic, social, educational, environmental, psychological, etc.

Maybe you'd better contact the educational branch and tell them they're teaching people all kinds of intellectual stuff which has nothing to do with spirituality.

(August 16, 2014 at 9:07 am)Riketto Wrote: It wouldn't sound nice to tell that the Jews holocaust was the direct consequence of crimes perpetrated in previous lives by these people or tell that a lovely girl was raped and killed because in previous life she was a man that did the same horrible thing to somebody else.
As you get deep in Sarkar philosophy you may understand a bit better how the system works.
In the meantime try not to rush to quick judgement.

Last night I watched an Ananda Marga documentary explaining what it was all about. There was a very heavy emphasis on service. There are Ananda Marga followers working in slums and poverty stricken areas of the world to improve people's lives. Belief in the system you're talking about isn't supposed to be a barrier to having love and compassion for all creation as it is at the moment. What you think an animal or human might have got up to in a past life isn't supposed to be a barrier to helping them in their current life.

Let's say that the system you're talking about is true. Is that any excuse for adopting a holier than thou attitude? "I've got a healthy body and a comfortable lifestyle so I must be more spiritually advanced than that blind, homeless beggar over there." It's up to the system to judge how spiritually advanced someone is and what they are to learn the next time round. Maybe that blind, homeless beggar had a healthy body and comfortable lifestyle last time round but he neglected love and compassion for all creation so now has to learn what it's like to be in need of love and compassion.

Quote:This topic has run for 113 pages. You've had many opportunities to mention Neohumanism and the PCAP organisation but you didn't. Why not?

(August 16, 2014 at 9:07 am)Riketto Wrote: It is up to you to investigate these issues if you like.

You're just dismissing them as issues? Neohumanism is the Ananda Marga philosophy while PCAP is an ecological organisation which Sarkar started back in the 1970's. It includes running animal sanctuaries.

(August 16, 2014 at 9:07 am)Riketto Wrote: I am not here to preach or to proselytizing.

Really? You surprise me. You have spent most of this topic preaching and proselytizing in barely comprehensible posts peppered with emoticons. What I've failed to pick up from your posts is any sense of compassion for animals suffering in factory farms and laboratories etc or any sense of compassion for people who are living miserable lives due to poverty and/or exploitation. The only thing you go on about is that they are probably suffering because of what they got up to in past lives.

(August 16, 2014 at 9:07 am)Riketto Wrote: When you will feel like entering the spiritual world then you will search and search until you will find what will give an answer to your question.

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I'm not interested in your version of spirituality. All it's come across as is trying to ensure you get a healthy body and comfortable lifestyle the next time round.

I shall now go back to learning more about what Ananda Marga is really about.

(August 16, 2014 at 9:07 am)Riketto Wrote:

(August 15, 2014 at 8:36 am)rasetsu Wrote: Still not an oxymoron. You just can't accept being wrong about anything, can you? That's sad.

Very sad indeed yogini.
You never study Latin nor you understand any of the Latin derivation like Italian, French or Spanish so you haven't got a clue what is the meaning of the word CONTRADICTORY.
In-CONTRO it means meeting.
S-CONTRO means bumping each other head on.
Contra-dittorio (contra-dictory) means two opposed stance.

You're such an idiot. It has nothing to do with the meaning of contradictory. It's still not an oxymoron no matter how much shit you pull from your ass.

(August 16, 2014 at 3:09 pm)rasetsu Wrote: You're such an idiot. It has nothing to do with the meaning of contradictory. It's still not an oxymoron no matter how much shit you pull from your ass.

Perhaps the word you're looking for is "assinine"?

(August 16, 2014 at 3:09 pm)rasetsu Wrote: You're such an idiot. It has nothing to do with the meaning of contradictory. It's still not an oxymoron no matter how much shit you pull from your ass.

Oh, a yogini that swear
That is not very nice.
Anyway after all your bla, bla, bla, you haven't told us why it is not contradictory.
Explain where is the logic in someone who say that God does not exist and at the same time proceed toward God by trying to learn and improve his-her life all the time.
Tell us where do you think that that effort will eventually lead to?

(August 16, 2014 at 1:31 pm)Confused Ape Wrote: But he still called it psychology.

It would be nice to progress without spend hours and hours in meditation or doing exercised or any other yoga practice just by psychology.
I call this effort spirituality and by this effort your mind becomes apexed, pinnacled so you can say that it is psychology as the psyche get apexed, pinnacled but again this is due to spiritual effort not by mental effort.

Quote:The real meaning of education is trilateral development – simultaneous development in the physical, mental and spiritual realms of human existence. This development should enhance the integration of the human personality. By this, dormant human potentialities will be awakened and put to proper use. Educated are those who have learnt much, remembered much and made use of their learning in practical life.
Emphasis should be given to moral education and the inculcation of idealism – not only philosophy and traditions. The practice of morality should be the most important subject in the syllabus at all levels.
The sense of universalism should also be awakened in the child. Etiquette and refined behaviour are not enough. Real education leads to a pervasive sense of love and compassion for all creation.
Shrii PR Sarkar

I can not see where is the contradiction in what i said?

Quote:Maybe you'd better contact the educational branch and tell them they're teaching people all kinds of intellectual stuff which has nothing to do with spirituality.

In my previous posts i said few times that yoga include many things not just doing meditation.
Why you think i discussed for so long about whether man is omnivore or not if i wouldn't include vegetarianism in my life?
And then i talk about microvita and alternative medicine and other different topics?
I just don't understand what you are on about Ape.

Quote:Last night I watched an Ananda Marga documentary explaining what it was all about. There was a very heavy emphasis on service. There are Ananda Marga followers working in slums and poverty stricken areas of the world to improve people's lives. Belief in the system you're talking about isn't supposed to be a barrier to having love and compassion for all creation as it is at the moment. What you think an animal or human might have got up to in a past life isn't supposed to be a barrier to helping them in their current life.

You are presuming that i don't care about suffering just because i said that there is the karma law to take into account.
Why you keep on rushing in your judgments is just behind me.

Quote:Let's say that the system you're talking about is true. Is that any excuse for adopting a holier than thou attitude? "I've got a healthy body and a comfortable lifestyle so I must be more spiritually advanced than that blind, homeless beggar over there." It's up to the system to judge how spiritually advanced someone is and what they are to learn the next time round. Maybe that blind, homeless beggar had a healthy body and comfortable lifestyle last time round but he neglected love and compassion for all creation so now has to learn what it's like to be in need of love and compassion.

Again you are presuming things.
If i see anyone down in the gutter the first thing that come in my mind is to help even if i know that that is due to his-her karma but you presume that i am not interested in helping just because that person did something wrong therefore shouldn't be helped.

Quote:You're just dismissing them as issues? Neohumanism is the Ananda Marga philosophy while PCAP is an ecological organisation which Sarkar started back in the 1970's. It includes running animal sanctuaries.

When i start talking to anyone the talk often go from topic to topic.
To stick to the same argument for long get boring so i let the argument take me wherever it like it to go.
If i never talk about what you mention is just due to the fact that the flow of the argument never end up there.

Quote:Really? You surprise me. You have spent most of this topic preaching and proselytizing in barely comprehensible posts peppered with emoticons. What I've failed to pick up from your posts is any sense of compassion for animals suffering in factory farms and laboratories etc or any sense of compassion for people who are living miserable lives due to poverty and/or exploitation. The only thing you go on about is that they are probably suffering because of what they got up to in past lives.

Try to slow down with your emotions Ape.

Quote:I'm not interested in your version of spirituality. All it's come across as is trying to ensure you get a healthy body and comfortable lifestyle the next time round.

As far as i can remember i always explain that the goal of life can not possibly be in this material-physical world but in the spiritual one.
And i also said that to think in this way is the correct way to think as spirituality offer the only solution to human problem.
Now you please explain what is wrong with attain spiritual progress?

Quote:I shall now go back to learning more about what Ananda Marga is really about.

Very well but please leave behind your emotions and your rush judgment.

(August 17, 2014 at 6:48 am)Riketto Wrote:

(August 16, 2014 at 3:09 pm)rasetsu Wrote: You're such an idiot. It has nothing to do with the meaning of contradictory. It's still not an oxymoron no matter how much shit you pull from your ass.

Oh, a yogini that swear
That is not very nice.
Anyway after all your bla, bla, bla, you haven't told us why it is not contradictory.
Explain where is the logic in someone who say that God does not exist and at the same time proceed toward God by trying to learn and improve his-her life all the time.
Tell us where do you think that that effort will eventually lead to?

Again, it has nothing to do with contradiction.

Oxford English Dictionary Wrote:oxymoron, n.

1. Rhetoric. A figure of speech in which a pair of opposed or markedly contradictory terms are placed in conjunction for emphasis.

Is the word "atheism" a pair of terms? No it is not. It's one word. Therefore it's not an oxymoron.

Wiktionary Wrote:oxymoron, n.

2. (general) A contradiction in terms.

Wiktionary Wrote:contradiction in terms

1. A phrase or expression in which the component words contradict one another, often unintentionally, or are claimed to do so when seen from a particular point of view.

"A miniature giant" is a contradiction in terms.

Note again that an oxymoron requires words, plural. A single word contradicting itself is not an oxymoron.