(September 20, 2014 at 11:19 am)C4RM5 Wrote: There where Roman soliders posted to guard the tomb.

That's convincing....

Because no soldier ever took a bribe.

I'm not saying this is what happened. Only that it is more likely than magic.

(September 20, 2014 at 11:21 am)jesus_wept Wrote:

(September 20, 2014 at 11:06 am)C4RM5 Wrote: My evidence is that Jesus' body cannot of been stolen, therefore why did his body dissappear.

This is not evidence, this is a claim written in a book, what evidence do you have to support the claim that Jesus body did actually disappear?

Also, sorry to be a grammar nazi (god knows mine is bad enough) but it's could not have been stolen, "cannot of been stolen" just sounds wrong.

I am from northern ireland only english teachers worry about grammar.

(September 20, 2014 at 11:24 am)C4RM5 Wrote:

(September 20, 2014 at 11:21 am)jesus_wept Wrote: This is not evidence, this is a claim written in a book, what evidence do you have to support the claim that Jesus body did actually disappear?

Also, sorry to be a grammar nazi (god knows mine is bad enough) but it's could not have been stolen, "cannot of been stolen" just sounds wrong.

I am from northern ireland only english teachers worry aboit grammar.

Are you going to answer my question or not?

And we have a Christian faith where even the men are to imagine they are having sex with Jesus when they are conjugal with their spose.

Was it good for you Jesus ?? Did you come ???


If they believe Jesus is dead during the carnality, it is even creepier.

And what if they are the One True Faith ???

(September 20, 2014 at 11:25 am)jesus_wept Wrote:

(September 20, 2014 at 11:24 am)C4RM5 Wrote: I am from northern ireland only english teachers worry aboit grammar.

Are you going to answer my question or not?

If you don't believe my 'claim from a book' then absolutly nothin'

And there is a diversity of sabbaths in Christianity. For the ones going on the wrong day of the week, they are ALL going to Hell, they never worshipped God, and he is really, really touchy about that.

What about all the different communion rituals ?? There is only one (or no) right way to do it. Everybody else is CONDEMNED.

Debts and debtors, or tresspasses and tresspass ???? Only one (or none) gets your ticket punched.


The odds of any particular schism being right on everything is smaller than a mustard seed.

(September 20, 2014 at 9:44 am)C4RM5 Wrote:

(September 20, 2014 at 9:29 am)Stimbo Wrote: So how might we go about finding out whether such claims are true?

Like I just said you can not really prove or disprove it as it is personal experience.

Really? You can't think of any way of telling truth from lie, or fact from fiction? And that's leaving aside basic burden of proof anyway.

This is all very strange, because you then go on to say that what convinces you of the biblical accounts of Jesus etc is evidence. Notwithstanding that the gospel writings are the claim, not the evidence (evidence in this context would be verifiable corroboration from contemporary third-party sources), do you not see an incompatibility between these two positions?

(September 20, 2014 at 11:06 am)C4RM5 Wrote: My evidence is that Jesus' body cannot of been stolen, therefore why did his body dissappear.

How do you know Jesus even existed to have a body?

Oh... third or fourth hand accounts from anonymous authors written decades after the event purportedly occurred, with no third party or contemporary corroboration of any kind. Right. Not to mention, you still haven't given a reason why we'd dismiss all other magic claims in all other historical books, but not these ones.

So when you say you believe based on evidence, you have entirely jumped the gun.

(September 20, 2014 at 10:50 am)Simon Moon Wrote:

(September 20, 2014 at 10:35 am)C4RM5 Wrote: By saying I am skeptical, I mean I naturally question things.

Obviously you don't even do that.

Well, it may be true from his point of view. Compared to those he mixes with among 'the flock', perhaps he really is the questioning one. Maybe he gets some heat for being such a rebel.

Is that true, C4RM5? Are you constantly goading your peers to think more than they're accustomed to do?

(September 20, 2014 at 1:03 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(September 20, 2014 at 11:06 am)C4RM5 Wrote: My evidence is that Jesus' body cannot of been stolen, therefore why did his body dissappear.

How do you know Jesus even existed to have a body?

Oh... third or fourth hand accounts from anonymous authors written decades after the event purportedly occurred, with no third party or contemporary corroboration of any kind. Right. Not to mention, you still haven't given a reason why we'd dismiss all other magic claims in all other historical books, but not these ones.

So when you say you believe based on evidence, you have entirely jumped the gun.

I don't really have an arguement other than these believe has changed my life, so in your sense I don't believe based on evidence.

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(September 20, 2014 at 3:42 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(September 20, 2014 at 10:50 am)Simon Moon Wrote: Obviously you don't even do that.

Well, it may be true from his point of view. Compared to those he mixes with among 'the flock', perhaps he really is the questioning one. Maybe he gets some heat for being such a rebel.

Is that true, C4RM5? Are you constantly goading your peers to think more than they're accustomed to do?

No, I'm not a rebel, I am quite a quite person so I sit an listen for questions I had being answered. Any way I go to a Bible class in my church and generally what is being talked about is explained in such away that I don't have any questions.