(October 3, 2014 at 12:37 am)ShaMan Wrote: The illusion of separateness from other races and other life forms is the cause of much suffering. I live - that is sufficient.

The same people who say this type of thing talk about white people terrorizing native people and displacing them, and how much at one "their" people are with nature, as opposed to "other" people.

(October 3, 2014 at 12:47 am)Aractus Wrote:

(October 3, 2014 at 12:30 am)ForumMember77 Wrote: That's exactly how I said the argument goes, and I've already explained why it's all perceived to be wrong by many people with more knowledge in this area than either of us.

As I said, I asked why and you explained. I was a little curious to see if people were still trying to pedal this discredited idea.

You're the one peddling scientifically discredited mythology. Last I checked your expert Dawkins was neither a geneticist, anthropologist or even biophysicist - all he is is an evolutionary biologist, and behaviourist. So you can't use him as an expert in other fields that he has an opinion on.

There are no distinct human races, all human beings belong to the same race.

You couldn't answer any of my questions which should be easy if your claims were true.

1. How many distinct human races are there, and what are they?
2. Show me geneticists who say they can determine what a person's distinct race is from their DNA?

They are bad questions.

My claims addressed your own and my argument should stand or fall on its own merits.

You are saying because the variation of the human genetic code of 85% of the human population can exist within (and be expressed by) 15% that race doesn't exist.

I am saying the expression is correlated, a black woman can have a white baby. Million to one shot, but it can happen.
A white woman ifs far more likely to have a white baby.

You could racially stereotype someone based on appearance and make racial assertions of their gene expressions, with a trained eye, and be pretty accurate.

An Africa looking fellow would be far more likely to be lactose intolerant, have sickle cell anaemia and so on......... enough.

I don't care that your wrong, I truly don't.

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(October 3, 2014 at 12:50 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: I think I will stick to my perfect shade of the golden brown.

Texture like sun ?

(October 3, 2014 at 1:04 am)ForumMember77 Wrote: You are saying because the variation of the human genetic code of 85% of the human population can exist within (and be expressed by) 15% that race doesn't exist.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm telling you that race has nothing to do with genetics that it has been used for millennia to mean people of different origins, and that its meaning was mythical we now understand why and that consequently it has no meaning in the modern context.

Quote:I am saying the expression is correlated, a black woman can have a white baby. Million to one shot, but it can happen.
A white woman ifs far more likely to have a white baby.

So what? Race isn't determined by skin colour. Nor is it determined by hair colour, or by any other single characteristic.

Quote:I don't care that you're wrong, I truly don't.

I'm not wrong. The conceptualisation of there being different human races is wrong. I've proved it. You have no evidence, you can't even tell me how many human races you think there are (and if you're right that should be a really easy question to answer). You can't defend your argument with any evidence. You believe in outdated ancient mythological nonsense.

(October 2, 2014 at 9:34 pm)Beccs Wrote: The Human race suits me.

Ahhh, I like that, so cute and true.

(October 3, 2014 at 2:22 am)Aractus Wrote:

(October 3, 2014 at 1:04 am)ForumMember77 Wrote: You are saying because the variation of the human genetic code of 85% of the human population can exist within (and be expressed by) 15% that race doesn't exist.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm telling you that race has nothing to do with genetics that it has been used for millennia to mean people of different origins, and that its meaning was mythical we now understand why and that consequently it has no meaning in the modern context.

Quote:I am saying the expression is correlated, a black woman can have a white baby. Million to one shot, but it can happen.
A white woman ifs far more likely to have a white baby.

So what? Race isn't determined by skin colour. Nor is it determined by hair colour, or by any other single characteristic.

Quote:I don't care that you're wrong, I truly don't.

I'm not wrong. The conceptualisation of there being different human races is wrong. I've proved it. You have no evidence, you can't even tell me how many human races you think there are (and if you're right that should be a really easy question to answer). You can't defend your argument with any evidence. You believe in outdated ancient mythological nonsense.

My my, the same could be said of many scientific terms. Interspecies breeding is possible, should it be. Indeed fertile offspring can and does occur.

You going to claim there is only one species in the world next. Walphin, encase you were wondering.

I have repeatedly said that it is entirely possible and easy to discern a persons ancestry from these 'racial' attributes you say have no meaning.
That is to say you would be able to tell what part of African many Africans came from or what part of Asia/Europe, there would be a correlation about how they look and where they come from.

Indeed a performable test is there.

Furthermore that these racial attributes are indicative of other likely gene expressions.

The argument that race has no taxonomic meaning in the scientific terminology is false on this alone.

You haven't proved anything.

Trust me, your wrong.

Race? Well I'm human and I'd like to stay human. I'm assuming you mean different ethnicity? I'm a bit of a lot of different ethnicities. Don't know much about my dad's side. His parents surnames are uncommon but as far as I know they appear English. My mother's side is Spanish, Mexican, Native American, and also have blood from Aztec and Mayan descendents.

I'm not sure I'd choose another. It's a good mix.

But maybe I'd choose to have a British grandmother so I could have dual citizenship and would be able to get a UK passport that would also allow me to move about the EU freely.

(October 3, 2014 at 2:46 am)ForumMember77 Wrote: My my, the same could be said of many scientific terms. Interspecies breeding is possible, should it be. Indeed fertile offspring can and does occur.

Interspecies breeding has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Quote:You going to claim there is only one species in the world next. Walphin, encase you were wondering.

No I'm not that's a straw man, and I'm not the one with a claim: you are. You have the claim thus you have the onus of proof.

Quote:I have repeatedly said that it is entirely possible and easy to discern a persons ancestry from these 'racial' attributes you say have no meaning.
That is to say you would be able to tell what part of African many Africans came from or what part of Asia/Europe, there would be a correlation about how they look and where they come from.

So what? You haven't demonstrated that being able to determine a locality that a person comes from distinguishes their race. Where's the relevance?

Quote:Trust me, your wrong.

Right, I say there is 1 human race, how many races you do you say there are?

(September 30, 2014 at 11:10 pm)ForumMember77 Wrote: Which one ?

Likewise, which would be your last choice ?

I think I'd be a Chinese Asian.

I'd imagine some South American Amazonian tribes don't have much going for them, so they would probably be a last resort.

How many people are afraid to play this racist game ?

I wanna have brain like jewish, skin like indonesian, height like western, and speak like english

OP, what is your definition of "race"?

Read his argument with me... he can't define it.