This one is as dumb as bag of rocks, Beccs.

To be honest, I think the turn the other cheek words found in the gospel is unrealistic. Mohammad and his followers were facing hostility, and they were forced to react. However, as I shown, the Quran doesn't go on to say you can fight whoever or fight all disbelievers for simply being disbelievers. It said if they incline to peace, to incline to it. Yes there is a lot of verses about Jihaad, but, they put limitations. For example even in Suratal Baraat where it says to kill polytheists after the sacred month is over, it says it's due to them breaking treaties, and as far as those who stayed true to the treaties, to stay true to them. But all these verses are taken out of context.

The primary goal of Jihaad was to restore peace and stability. If that was achieved, there was no need of Jihaad.

Now there is no way to accurately state this and that is exact policy Quran demands to take now in this century. But obviously, it stating to incline to peace when the other side inclines to it is important. Or to not kill a person unless for killing another man or mischief in the land is important.

I don't know why people pretended these verses don't exist and act like experts about Islam teaching terrorism.

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(October 23, 2014 at 5:53 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: What are these versus supposed to prove? That islam is a nice religion? There are plenty of other verses that tell them to kill people and ISIS are using them.

Yes those verses were in their time, context, to do with fighting polytheists who were fighting Muslims and killing Muslims. The verses I posted give context to those verses, showing that there were limitations, and Islam never gave the green light to kill innocents.

(October 23, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: How exactly does killing children, prevent harm to innocents?

The Canaanites practiced child sacrifice, temple prostitution, and likely demon worship. The chances are very high that their society was riddled with STDs, violence, and vice. Surely it was merciful for God to cut off such nations. Would anyone want to grow up in a society where they would likely be born with an STD, some of their siblings murdered as "sacrifices" (possibly to demons) by their parents, and violence rampant?

(October 23, 2014 at 6:05 pm)Christian Wrote:

(October 23, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: How exactly does killing children, prevent harm to innocents?

The Canaanites practiced child sacrifice, temple prostitution, and likely demon worship. The chances are very high that their society was riddled with STDs, violence, and vice. Surely it was merciful for God to cut off such nations. Would anyone want to grow up in a society where they would likely be born with an STD, some of their siblings murdered as "sacrifices" (possibly to demons) by their parents, and violence rampant?

By slaughtering CHILDREN!

Yeah, that makes sense.

So, to prevent their parents sacrificing children - for which there is NO evidence - to demons, Yahweh decided to murder them for his own benefits.

(October 23, 2014 at 6:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: To be honest, I think the turn the other cheek words found in the gospel is unrealistic. Mohammad and his followers were facing hostility, and they were forced to react. However, as I shown, the Quran doesn't go on to say you can fight whoever or fight all disbelievers for simply being disbelievers. It said if they incline to peace, to incline to it. Yes there is a lot of verses about Jihaad, but, they put limitations. For example even in Suratal Baraat where it says to kill polytheists after the sacred month is over, it says it's due to them breaking treaties, and as far as those who stayed true to the treaties, to stay true to them. But all these verses are taken out of context.

So, if you want peace, prepare for war.

Now, if there was just some way to view anything as an act of war against Islam...

(October 23, 2014 at 6:05 pm)Christian Wrote:

(October 23, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: How exactly does killing children, prevent harm to innocents?

The Canaanites practiced child sacrifice, temple prostitution, and likely demon worship. The chances are very high that their society was riddled with STDs, violence, and vice. Surely it was merciful for God to cut off such nations. Would anyone want to grow up in a society where they would likely be born with an STD, some of their siblings murdered as "sacrifices" (possibly to demons) by their parents, and violence rampant?

You know that those accusations are most likely untrue as that was the go to accusation in ancient times right?

(October 23, 2014 at 6:08 pm)Beccs Wrote: By slaughtering CHILDREN!

Yeah, that makes sense.

So, to prevent their parents sacrificing children - for which there is NO evidence - to demons, Yahweh decided to murder them for his own benefits.

God did not bring death to this world. It was Adam who brought death to this world by eating the forbidden fruit.

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned. (Romans 5:12, NIV)

While God did command nations to kill, it's important to remember that he never commanded individuals to kill devoid of their representing a nation.

So no, I don't think you could say that it is legit for any single individual to claim that God commanded them to kill. On the contrary, one of the ten commandments is,
"You shall not murder." (Exodus 20:13).

The word that God uses for murder is different than the word that is used to mean "kill" when it is carried out in war.

(October 23, 2014 at 4:15 pm)Christian Wrote: Is the reason why you need Christ in your life, not allah. How many Christian converts ever gunned down people?

Do you understand the significance of what happened here at all? He fucking shot a soldier on the tomb of the unknown soldier, and you want to turn this into a preaching opportunity? Shame on you. This is one of the most important monuments acknowledging the horrors of war, especially the battle of passchendale and you want to use it to further your agenda. Cpl Carillo died, because he was attempting to prevent this man from opening fire in a popular public place, and as a result took 2 shots from a shotgun at point blank range. He didnt run for cover, he tried to grab the mans gun.
Think about that.

(October 23, 2014 at 6:05 pm)Christian Wrote: The Canaanites practiced child sacrifice, temple prostitution, and likely demon worship. The chances are very high that their society was riddled with STDs, violence, and vice. Surely it was merciful for God to cut off such nations. Would anyone want to grow up in a society where they would likely be born with an STD, some of their siblings murdered as "sacrifices" (possibly to demons) by their parents, and violence rampant?

Yep, another Christian has completely lost his moral compass.

Look at all the mental gymnastics, ad hoc excuse making, and just plain making shit up he has to do in order to try to justify the immoral behavior of the "God" character in the stories in the Bible.

So sad....

(October 23, 2014 at 6:16 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Do you understand the significance of what happened here at all? He fucking shot a soldier on the tomb of the unknown soldier, and you want to turn this into a preaching opportunity? Shame on you. This is one of the most important monuments acknowledging the horrors of war, especially the battle of passchendale and you want to use it to further your agenda. Cpl Carillo died, because he was attempting to prevent this man from opening fire in a popular public place, and as a result took 2 shots from a shotgun at point blank range. He didnt run for cover, he tried to grab the mans gun.
Think about that.

Yes, that was a Christian thing to do. God acted through Cpl Carillo to save others.