I wonder if we scared him away?

I hope not. That wouldn't give me a chance to participate in a scientific debate where no science is presented.

(November 1, 2014 at 2:52 pm)Surgenator Wrote: I hope not. That wouldn't give me a chance to participate in a scientific debate where no science is presented.

He did mention "evolution", that is kinda science-y, I think.

I always love how these fuckheads who claim to know so much about "Darwin" don't seem to know that he was a creationist.

Quote:Authors of the highest eminence seem to be fully satisfied with the view that each species has been independently created. To my mind it accords better with what we know of the laws impressed on matter by the Creator, that the production and extinction of the past and present inhabitants of the world should have been due to secondary causes, like those determining the birth and death of the individual. When I view all beings not as special creations, but as the lineal descendants of some few beings which lived long before the first bed of the Silurian system was deposited, they seem to me to become ennobled. Judging from the past, we may safely infer that not one living species will transmit its unaltered likeness to a distant futurity.

--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species, Chapter 14

Of course, Darwin was writing in 1860 and can be forgiven for being a creatard. Modern creatards get no such dispensation!

(November 1, 2014 at 2:31 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: I wonder if we scared him away?

As much as that would make us badass, no. We call these, "shit & run" posters. Or pigeons on a chessboard, if you prefer.

I like how this post has turned into, for the most part, people just telling me how stupid I am. Also, as I stated in the original post, this was not meant to be a religious debate yet somehow my beliefs are being attacked even though nobody here actually knows what my beliefs are. If you disagree with what I said or think that I'm not educated enough on the topic that's fine because the point of debating is to bring arguments to the conversation to enlighten your opponents. Yet somehow this has turned into the classic "You don't believe what I believe so you're stupid" party. Thanks to the few people on here that actually made good points so I can continue to expand my knowledge on the topic.

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(November 1, 2014 at 5:09 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(November 1, 2014 at 2:31 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: I wonder if we scared him away?

As much as that would make us badass, no. We call these, "shit & run" posters. Or pigeons on a chessboard, if you prefer.

Actually I have a 7 week old son and a full time job so I don't have 24 hours a day to keep checking posts.

We're still waiting for evidence and not your opinion.

Why don't you get the chip off your shoulder and cut to the chase?

You have already made a lousy first impression.

(November 2, 2014 at 1:35 am)Rob216 Wrote: I like how this post has turned into, for the most part, people just telling me how stupid I am. Also, as I stated in the original post, this was not meant to be a religious debate yet somehow my beliefs are being attacked even though nobody here actually knows what my beliefs are. If you disagree with what I said or think that I'm not educated enough on the topic that's fine because the point of debating is to bring arguments to the conversation to enlighten your opponents. Yet somehow this has turned into the classic "You don't believe what I believe so you're stupid" party. Thanks to the few people on here that actually made good points so I can continue to expand my knowledge on the topic.

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(November 1, 2014 at 5:09 pm)LastPoet Wrote: As much as that would make us badass, no. We call these, "shit & run" posters. Or pigeons on a chessboard, if you prefer.

Actually I have a 7 week old son and a full time job so I don't have 24 hours a day to keep checking posts.

Sincere congrats for both! So if you have time, what do you think about the scientific objections to your assertion?

(November 2, 2014 at 3:03 am)Minimalist Wrote: We're still waiting for evidence and not your opinion.

Why don't you get the chip off your shoulder and cut to the chase?

You have already made a lousy first impression.

Well you already called me a fuckhead so I'm not quite clear on why my opinion or any evidence I could possibly bring up would be worth a damn to you anyways. Plus, I'm not a fan of feeding trolls.

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(November 2, 2014 at 4:21 am)Alex K Wrote:

(November 2, 2014 at 1:35 am)Rob216 Wrote: I like how this post has turned into, for the most part, people just telling me how stupid I am. Also, as I stated in the original post, this was not meant to be a religious debate yet somehow my beliefs are being attacked even though nobody here actually knows what my beliefs are. If you disagree with what I said or think that I'm not educated enough on the topic that's fine because the point of debating is to bring arguments to the conversation to enlighten your opponents. Yet somehow this has turned into the classic "You don't believe what I believe so you're stupid" party. Thanks to the few people on here that actually made good points so I can continue to expand my knowledge on the topic.

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Actually I have a 7 week old son and a full time job so I don't have 24 hours a day to keep checking posts.

Sincere congrats for both! So if you have time, what do you think about the scientific objections to your assertion?

I'm not trying to minimize my response so I apologize for being vague but I estimate that I literally have about 5 minutes to get this response in. In general, I love opposing views so I'm not gonna slam anyone for their objections. I think a lot of people got off track because I do believe that evolution occurs in all species. I thought my objections were to Darwin, but perhaps I need to do some more research on Biogenesis because honestly this post was the first time that I've heard that term. Also, going back and reading my original post, I did a poor job in wording what I was actually trying to say. What I meant to say in a nutshell is that there is no evidence of species changing kinds. By which I mean in the lineage of any species there is no link (that I know of anyways) over the timeline of a species existence that shows that it could've changed from bacteria to fish to a amphibian etc etc that it has just been theorized. I really just want someone to show me that there is proof somewhere of that link in a species lineage. Any species. If somebody did and I accidentally passed it up then I apologize but I'll go back and read all the posts when I have time. But I really do want proof I'm not just saying that to poke at people. I'm not gonna stand in the face of something tangible and choose not to believe it just because I believe in God. My belief is that I should be open to believing everything.

Oh, and thanks for the congrats!