(July 16, 2010 at 7:16 am)Scented Nectar Wrote: ITM, whatever it is I'm running for, would you like to be my second in command, like vice president or something? I'll be looking for some good people to help me run the world.

I am not a crook!

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(July 16, 2010 at 11:36 am)Cecco Wrote:

Quote:The definition is something I do know.

we've been over this. you do not know.

A posteriori, ab aeterno, ab absurdo. Ab asino lanam. Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. Abusus non tollit usum. Eventus stultorum magister. Facilius per partes in cognitionem totius adducimur. Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur! Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli . Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare. Impossibilium nulla obligatio est. Margaritas ante porcos. In dentibus anticis frustrum magnum spiniciae habes.


meme
   /mim/ Show Spelled[meem] Show IPA
–noun
a cultural item that is transmitted by repetition in a manner analogous to the biological transmission of genes.


Not only have we defined it, we've provided you with many examples.

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(July 16, 2010 at 11:36 am)Cecco Wrote: yes, of course they exist, but thoughts and memories are not scientifically quantifiable yet. memetics portends they are, but this has not been proven.

They are electrical impulses stored within the brain, to give a layman's definition. Yes, they are scientifically quantifiable.

show me the hard evidence that ideas evolve in a way analogous to natural selection.

Cecco

Why arent you getting this, its not a tricky concept and yet you seem to having extradinary trouble.

I am perplexed by your inability to understand.

Quote:show me the hard evidence that ideas evolve in a way analogous to natural selection.

Because everything pretty much works that way?

Whatever is left is left. What ever survives survives. It's just the process of elimination. The basic concept of natural selection is very simple.

With artificial selection we humans can, for instance, deliberately select animals to breed and so select them "artificially".

However, our actions to due this artificial selection comes down to our decisions. So what do we select our decisions with? Our thoughts. But in the end what do we select our thoughts with? More thoughts? Infinite regress.

In the end it comes down to the natural selection of the thoughts bouncing around in our brain. Because we can't select our thoughts artificially ultimately because that leads to infinite regress. Ultimately artificial selection also comes down to natural selection. The two concepts are disconnected. They are connected.

EvF

i understand how evolution works. also, we have dna to confirm this.

i understand the theory of memetics, but we have no source code to confirm this.

just because it makes sense to you does not make it real.

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i've said all i've got to say. this repetition is grating.

(July 16, 2010 at 11:36 am)Cecco Wrote:

Quote:The definition is something I do know.

we've been over this. you do not know.

Ok, fine. You tell me what I know or not, cuz um i dont know what i know cuz you no wut i no now doh my brains dum. cant reade dikshunery good to.

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Quote:Seems a bit like you have a hate-on for the guy, but whatever. Maybe holding a grudge about his forum closing.

i called him brilliant and i criticised one of his many ideas. this means i have a hate-on? disagreeing with one thing equals hate to you?

You just seem to maybe have at least a big dislike happening. Are you one of the people who got mad at him for deciding to close his forums down? I read about that somewhere, that a bunch of people thought that the site he owns should be under some sort of group decision power rather than him controlling his own site, and that a bunch of people got mad at him for it. I heard it all 3rd or 4th hand though, so I don't know the full story. Just wondering, are you a previous member of that forum? Your mention of the forum closing makes me wonder.

Quote:do you not have any criticisms of richard dawkins? not one? if not then it follows that you are a lamb of dawkins.

I am no one's lamb, that I know of. What is it about Dawkins do you think I should be critical of? His work makes a lot of sense to me. Is there some point you think I should disagree with that he's made?

I'm going to make a t shirt that says: "If I have not yet found cause to criticize you, then I am your lamb." I'd probably meet a lot of new and interesting friends wearing that.

Maybe you think that if someone becomes well known, people must go to the extremes of either idolizing them, or finding nothing but faults/flaws in them. The truth is that sometimes people might simply agree with the person without any more idolizing than they would do of someone who is not famous, but who has written the same things. Since I agree with the stuff I've seen that he's written on memes, I will of course defend that stuff, but I'm not a fucking lamb. Arrrgh!!!!

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(July 16, 2010 at 12:23 pm)In This Mind Wrote: I am not a crook!

Me neither. Let's give up our political careers before we waste all that time starting them. You don't get too far if you're not willing to be kind of criminal in some major way or another.

(July 16, 2010 at 1:24 pm)Cecco Wrote: i understand how evolution works. also, we have dna to confirm this.

You do realize that Darwin knew nothing about DNA when he formed the Theory of Evolution, right? DNA did a lot to prop up evolution, but it was a fairly accepted theory with other forms of evidence before DNA came along. It wasn't confirmed for it's role in heredity until 1952.

Just had to point out the absurdity of your statement.

(July 16, 2010 at 12:55 pm)Cecco Wrote: show me the hard evidence that ideas evolve in a way analogous to natural selection.

Aut disce aut discede

There it is, right above.

It's called 'language'

Telephone.

(July 16, 2010 at 10:08 pm)Cego_Colher Wrote: Telephone.

Good fences make good neighbors.

This is commonly used to suggest the best way to get along with people is to wall yourself off from them, worry about what's yours and let them worry about what's theirs. But is that really how Reverend Ezekiel Rogers meant it? Another way to put the same sentiment used to be "Look to your fences; and if your neighbor neglects to repair and keep in order his hall do it yourself; you will get your pay"

Here we have a perfect example of a meme that has, over time and abuse, come to mean the exact opposite of what it initially stood for. Proof that an idea can grow and change over time.