Well. They're not that bad.....

(December 14, 2014 at 4:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You know, Chas, we only get to hear about the ones that either shoot themselves or someone else or their houses, cars, pets, etc. We never hear about all the assholes with guns who accidentally fire them into their own floors or ceilings because they were playing with them....oh, excuse me. I mean "cleaning" them.

The only way you get to retire as a Law-Abiding Responsible Gun Owner (L-ARGO) is when you die and you haven't fucked up even once with a gun. If you manage that, I'll gladly add that title to your eulogy. Until then, that list of anecdotes keeps growing and everyone with a gun is a potential fuck-up waiting to happen.

But tens of millions of people didn't fuck up ever, and tens of millions are not fucking up every day. It is demonstrably a tiny percentage who fuck up, just look at the numbers.
e.g. 120,000,000 gun owners / 1200 gun accidents = 0.001%

I would rather have a zero percentage of fuck-ups, but that's just me.

Quote:But tens of millions of people didn't fuck up ever, and tens of millions are not fucking up every day.

Evidence? Or is that one of those internet stats that you made up?

How many dumb-asses leave their guns laying around for their kids to find where (fortunately) no one ends up shot?

The difference between a L-ARGO and a statistic seems to me mainly a function of dumb luck. Humans are too inherently careless.

(December 14, 2014 at 5:18 pm)Sionnach Wrote: I would rather have a zero percentage of fuck-ups, but that's just me.

And I'd rather there were no road accidents. So, there's that.

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(December 14, 2014 at 6:05 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:But tens of millions of people didn't fuck up ever, and tens of millions are not fucking up every day.

Evidence? Or is that one of those internet stats that you made up?

How many dumb-asses leave their guns laying around for their kids to find where (fortunately) no one ends up shot?

The difference between a L-ARGO and a statistic seems to me mainly a function of dumb luck. Humans are too inherently careless.

Evidence? The fucking numbers speak for themselves: the number of gun owners compared to the number of accidents.
The percentage is lower than the percentage of drivers who have vehicle accidents.

They make speak to you...and I think you're hearing voices....but they sure as fuck don't speak to me.

Every time I check the news some 3 year old has just shot another person because their L-ARGO parents left their fucking gun laying around.

Those are the numbers that speak to me.

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Meanwhile, Texas keeps coming up with ways to make the problem worse. Nothing like having more shitheads walking around with guns.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/texas...purchases/

Quote:Texas lawmakers propose ‘sales tax holiday’ for firearms purchases

That insane UKIP party wants to bring handguns to us in England. I don't think it will ever happen, at least not anytime soon, but it's scary that someone with that kind of agenda is in the race. Oh yeah, they also want to frack everything.

I don't think the people voting for them know these things. If they do, it's even more worrying.

(December 14, 2014 at 10:00 pm)Minimalist Wrote: They make speak to you...and I think you're hearing voices....but they sure as fuck don't speak to me.

Every time I check the news some 3 year old has just shot another person because their L-ARGO parents left their fucking gun laying around.

Those are the numbers that speak to me.

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Meanwhile, Texas keeps coming up with ways to make the problem worse. Nothing like having more shitheads walking around with guns.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/texas...purchases/

Quote:Texas lawmakers propose ‘sales tax holiday’ for firearms purchases

You clearly don't understand numbers. You are focused on the exceptions, the 0.001%.

We don't even know what the numbers are because the gun nuts have steadily tried to prevent anyone from gathering such stats. Just like we don't know how many people are executed by the cops.

Your position is that guns are good because a lot of people haven't fucked up with them.

My position is that guns are bad because a lot of people haven't fucked up with them, yet. But plenty have.

(December 15, 2014 at 11:13 am)Minimalist Wrote: We don't even know what the numbers are because the gun nuts have steadily tried to prevent anyone from gathering such stats. Just like we don't know how many people are executed by the cops.

The number of injuries from firearms is not secret knowledge. Google is your friend.

Quote:Your position is that guns are good because a lot of people haven't fucked up with them.

No, that is not my position.

Quote:My position is that guns are bad because a lot of people haven't fucked up with them, yet. But plenty have.

So, motor vehicles are bad. Plenty of fatal fuck-ups there.