(December 22, 2014 at 12:19 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(December 21, 2014 at 10:34 pm)Brucer Wrote: What would be more intellectually honest is you admitting that I had not poisoned the well when Stimbo said I did right HERE, in which he took a partial quote of me HERE, and which you responded to right HERE, in which you replied with "Hey look, turns out he needed a whole lot more well poison!"

Since I hadn't poisoned the well at the beginning of that conversation with Stimbo, where do you come off by lying that I am adding "more?"

How the fuck do you add "more" to nothing?

Now, let's see a little intellectual honesty from an atheist for a change, okay? Maybe then i will start trusting things you say, but until then, I simply don't.

And there we go again: someone dares to disagree with you, and so you seek to passive aggressively tarnish them and, yes, poison the well for future readers by proclaiming their disagreement is intellectually dishonest, apropos of nothing.

Although to some degree you're right; Stimbo mislabelled the original fallacy you used. "X is laughed at by Y community, therefore is wrong," is actually an unsupported argument from authority, made without a shred of evidence... possibly well poisoning in the sense that you're seeking to taint any further argument made with reference to the source in question by fiat, before it's even presented, but I don't care enough to quibble over details, especially since that seems to be your main method of argument.

But the parts I pointed out were still pure well-poison. If you want to desperately cling to the word "more" as some kind of out, then whatever, I don't need it there. My point stands well without it; the sentence was formulated that way as a sarcastic continuation of what Stimbo was saying, but it works as a stand alone position. If trading one fallacy for another, while not affecting my point at all, would make you happy, then feel free to say I was wrong, and I'll even rephrase my initial post right here:

"Looks like he needed a whole lot of well poison to wash down that argument from authority! "

Yay for you! You won a single insignificant point, while utterly failing to address your actual fallacies, plus the equivocations you chose to defend them with!

Edit: Oh, not to mention the abrupt right turn you made there, that non-sequitur "oh yeah, well, you were wrong to support Stimbo!" dodge you made when you couldn't handle the original conversation we were having, let's not forget that!

Whatever.

Your attitude and dishonesty encourages me to not trust a single word you say. If you ever want to earn the trust of any theists on this forum you are going to have to buck up, look in the mirror, look at the attitude of this forum against theists and carefully consider your position.

You see me with attitude right now? That attitude is directly related to how I have been treated, and you wonder why theists get banned so much on this forum?

When moderators such as yourself involve themselves into assisting the ridicule of theists, what do you think that says to theists about the leadership on this forum?

Do you want theists on this forum? Do you think a theist can trust you? Seriously?

If you don't want any theists here, just keep doing what you are doing.

Moderators and administrators are also ordinary members with exactly the same posting privileges as anyone else here. How dare you twist an opinion made by individual members of staff into a reflection on the running of the forum itself. No-one is forcing you to be here; you know where the door is.

And how dare you lay the burden of the perceived attitude of the member base as a whole on the shoulders of individual members.

(December 22, 2014 at 10:06 am)Stimbo Wrote: Is English your first language? She said she is not unaware - a standard rhetoric device to emphasise that she is aware and fully so.

I stand corrected.

Thanks for the insult, atheist. I will add it to the pile.

Glad to have tickled your martyr chip, bubbleneck.

(December 22, 2014 at 10:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: Moderators and administrators are also ordinary members with exactly the same posting privileges as anyone else here. How dare you twist an opinion made by individual members of staff into a reflection on the running of the forum itself. No-one is forcing you to be here; you know where the door is.

And how dare you lay the burden of the perceived attitude of the member base as a whole on the shoulders of individual members.

I dare to do it because it's the truth. Those in a position of authority need to learn what that authority entails, and their posting privileges do not matter in the slightest.

They are leaders, and when they insult theists, it gives cart blanche to anybody else.

Read the Rules. Insults are not disallowed, as long as no personal attack is involved. It's generally and popularly known as free speech.

(December 22, 2014 at 10:26 am)Brucer Wrote:

(December 22, 2014 at 10:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: Moderators and administrators are also ordinary members with exactly the same posting privileges as anyone else here. How dare you twist an opinion made by individual members of staff into a reflection on the running of the forum itself. No-one is forcing you to be here; you know where the door is.

And how dare you lay the burden of the perceived attitude of the member base as a whole on the shoulders of individual members.

I dare to do it because it's the truth. Those in a position of authority need to learn what that authority entails, and their posting privileges do not matter in the slightest.

They are leaders, and when they insult theists, it gives cart blanche to anybody else.

.."atheist" forum.

Were you expecting a parade?

I don't think this one will last very long.

(December 22, 2014 at 10:28 am)Stimbo Wrote: Read the Rules. Insults are not disallowed, as long as no personal attack is involved. It's generally and popularly known as free speech.

You seem all for insulting theists, if my experience with you so far is to be considered. You think I can trust what you say?

Who in my position would?

No one.

Try going to a religious forum any one and say your an atheist and see how long it takes for them to ban you.

You see you don't get banned for being a theist here.

Indeed in the past some of the moderators on this forum have been theists Tackatack a Christian and Rayaan a Muslim, so we are not the closed shop you seem to believe.

You can however get banned for being an arsehole.

So if you really want to spend some time here remember this motto.

"Don't be a dick"

(December 22, 2014 at 10:31 am)Spooky Wrote:

(December 22, 2014 at 10:26 am)Brucer Wrote: I dare to do it because it's the truth. Those in a position of authority need to learn what that authority entails, and their posting privileges do not matter in the slightest.

They are leaders, and when they insult theists, it gives cart blanche to anybody else.

.."atheist" forum.

So, I should view that as some kind of "religion?" I get teh exact same treatment on a Muslim forum, so how do you think this being an "atheist" forum is any different than a religious forum?

So far here, I have been treated exactly the same why I get treated on forums from various religions.

One would think an "atheist" forum would set a higher standard, but so far ... that is planets away from the truth.

Quote:I don't think this one will last very long.

That will not matter. What matters is the impression this forum gives to theists, and when I see posts of endless insults, and also posts demonstrating exceptional hatred (as I pointed out earlier), what do you think the value is of what I lose?

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(December 22, 2014 at 10:33 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

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(December 22, 2014 at 10:13 am)Brucer Wrote: Whatever.

Your attitude and dishonesty encourages me to not trust a single word you say. If you ever want to earn the trust of any theists on this forum you are going to have to buck up, look in the mirror, look at the attitude of this forum against theists and carefully consider your position.

You see me with attitude right now? That attitude is directly related to how I have been treated, and you wonder why theists get banned so much on this forum?

When moderators such as yourself involve themselves into assisting the ridicule of theists, what do you think that says to theists about the leadership on this forum?

Do you want theists on this forum? Do you think a theist can trust you? Seriously?

If you don't want any theists here, just keep doing what you are doing.

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Try going to a religious forum any one and say your an atheist and see how long it takes for them to ban you.

So Jack jumped off the bridge means John should jump too?