(February 19, 2015 at 8:37 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Is there an Absolute Stinkiness?

Not to my dog. You should see the shit she rolls in.

(February 19, 2015 at 1:25 am)psychoslice Wrote: I don't think you would truly know if rape was wrong or right until you have been raped yourself, I myself was raped when I was a teenager, and it wasn't fun.

First of all, I am sorry that you were ever harmed by anyone. No one should ever experience such a thing. However, I believe you are quite mistaken in the idea that one must first be raped in order to know that it is wrong. I assure you, I have never been raped, and I am perfectly certain that rape is wrong, as certain as is humanly possible. Frankly, anyone who does not know that rape is wrong has something very seriously wrong with them. One hopes that they will either get the medication they need, or will be locked up for the safety of society.

I think it's possible to be objective about a subjective description

If you smell three socks, and tell me that one of them "stinks". It's possible to objectively evaluate your brain states and correlate the information with both your account of the experience and data from the socks. But I agree, not having an "absolute stinky sock" takes nothing away from what we would come to know objectively about your brain and your experience with regards to foot fungus.

(February 19, 2015 at 1:38 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: I really wish I had never looked in on this thread. I'm really, actually, crying right now. The idea that this subject is even debatable is making my chest deflate. I don't think I'll be back to check in.

People are bad. I can't think of any other possible explanation.

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(February 19, 2015 at 3:02 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: ...When people are actually discussing whether rape can ever be morally right, I have a big problem with it, and it's easy to lose respect for anyone who says it can; whether you're going to call it objective or subjective, I don't give a shit. ...

I agree.

(February 19, 2015 at 8:41 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(February 19, 2015 at 8:37 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Is there an Absolute Stinkiness?

Not to my dog. You should see the shit she rolls in.

Without an Absolute Source of Stinkiness, you can't complain about the odor.

(February 19, 2015 at 8:44 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: I think it's possible to be objective about a subjective description

If you smell three socks, and tell me that one of them "stinks". It's possible to objectively evaluate your brain states and correlate the information with both your account of the experience and data from the socks. But I agree, not having an "absolute stinky sock" takes nothing away from what we would come to know objectively about your brain and your experience with regards to foot fungus.

Have you ever changed a baby's diaper after they tried fish for the first time? That, is an absolute stinky.

delete.

(February 19, 2015 at 8:42 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:

(February 19, 2015 at 1:25 am)psychoslice Wrote: I don't think you would truly know if rape was wrong or right until you have been raped yourself, I myself was raped when I was a teenager, and it wasn't fun.

First of all, I am sorry that you were ever harmed by anyone. No one should ever experience such a thing. However, I believe you are quite mistaken in the idea that one must first be raped in order to know that it is wrong. I assure you, I have never been raped, and I am perfectly certain that rape is wrong, as certain as is humanly possible. Frankly, anyone who does not know that rape is wrong has something very seriously wrong with them. One hopes that they will either get the medication they need, or will be locked up for the safety of society.

Yes your right, I think I said what I said out of anger.

You see how absurd this becomes when we try to apply this Absolute Stuff to other experiences that require conscious experience to give them meaning?

Murder can be morally acceptable if it constitutes self-defense - Either I kill the guy or he kills me, I don't have a choice.

Rape is always wrong because there's no circumstance that obligates me to rape someone - And please don't bring a magical, almost impossible to happen scenario, I don't care - 99%-100% rapes are not out of self-defense.

I'm with rexbecca