Believing there is no higher knowledge will make us not seek it. Wishing there is higher knowledge will make us seek it. If higher knowledge doesn't exist, then we won't gain either way. If it does exist, then it's a huge loss if we don't gain it.

It's also dangerous to think wisdom of the past is all outdated and that everything we differ with it is advancement in morality.

(April 6, 2015 at 5:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Believing there is no higher knowledge will make us not seek it. Wishing there is higher knowledge will make us seek it. If higher knowledge doesn't exist, then we won't gain either way. If it does exist, then it's a huge loss if we don't gain it.

It's also dangerous to think wisdom of the past is all outdated and that everything we differ with it is advancement in morality.

Probably. No (I've tried). Pascal's Wager. Pascal's Wager.

Subjective. 

(April 6, 2015 at 4:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 6, 2015 at 4:36 pm)Iroscato Wrote: Just off the top of my head...being able to keep track of the thoughts and feelings of 7 billion individual people, answer prayers, create the universe and the laws of phyics, shephard atoms to form planets and stars and galaxies, all whilst fighting the infinite armies of evil does not to me sound 'logically possible'. If he is able to do all this, he must therefore be omnipotent, or so damn close to it that 'a gnat's pube difference' doesn't even cover it.
So if he is omnipotent, why does he therefore choose to play these childish games with humanity?

It's like saying because God created this universe, he can make 1+1 = 3 or square triangles.

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(April 6, 2015 at 4:37 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So the laws of logic are not god's creation.

Logic is eternal, ultimate logic being God. The same is true Goodness. The same is true of love. The same is true of mercy.  The same is true of wisdom. God created the universe in truth, gave light to it through his name, and filled all things with foundations of his names, and is who the praise belongs to. 

The laws of logic and the laws of morality are not created in us out of nothing but created from the very truth of himself.

See if you can spot the pattern.

"Ultimate logic being God"
"Ultimate logic being Yahweh"
"Ultimate logic being Jesus"
"Ultimate logic being Vishnu"

You are stuck on pretty like every other religious person in every religion. Nothing you said above in your quote proves anything but that you like most, have a bad case of the warm fuzzy feelings.

(April 6, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Spooky Wrote:

(April 6, 2015 at 5:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Believing there is no higher knowledge will make us not seek it. Wishing there is higher knowledge will make us seek it. If higher knowledge doesn't exist, then we won't gain either way. If it does exist, then it's a huge loss if we don't gain it.

It's also dangerous to think wisdom of the past is all outdated and that everything we differ with it is advancement in morality.

Probably. No (I've tried). Pascal's Wager. Pascal's Wager.

Subjective. 

It's not Pascal's Wager. And if you can refute the logic shown, then do so.

(April 6, 2015 at 6:06 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 6, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Spooky Wrote: Probably. No (I've tried). Pascal's Wager. Pascal's Wager.

Subjective. 

It's not Pascal's Wager. And if you can refute the logic shown, then do so.

Subjective pascals wager.

Even with pascals wager and to say if a god existed what if you are dead wrong and it's
not a god that isn't written about in any human literature what if that god is pure evil
incarnate. 

You know the difference between God and a Terrorist? Terrorists are real.

(April 6, 2015 at 12:10 pm)Spooky Wrote: According to Wikipedia: Terrorism :

Quote:Terrorism is commonly defined as violent acts (or the threat of violent acts) intended to create fear (terror), perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal, and which deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or ). 

Floods, murder of male children, stoning, slavery, etc... (threatening children with hell)
God seems to be the standard definition of terrorist.

Terrorism is the tool of those without actual power. God in the OT had ultimate power.

(April 6, 2015 at 10:22 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: You know the difference between God and a Terrorist? Terrorists are real.

Also if he were real we would get sick of his shit real quick. Like oi prick stop killing us. 

(April 6, 2015 at 10:17 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(April 6, 2015 at 6:06 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It's not Pascal's Wager. And if you can refute the logic shown, then do so.

Subjective pascals wager.

Even with pascals wager and to say if a god existed what if you are dead wrong and it's
not a god that isn't written about in any human literature what if that god is pure evil
incarnate. 

if you have vision of even a small degree you would see that it is impossible for God to be evil when He created everything with all of its beauty and perfection and the mercy He shows to it , the human being is the only exception for that because the way God treats the human being depends on how the human being behaves in this life and treats others  

if you are an evil creature then God will return evil to you in the worst way possible , if you are a good person then God returns good to you in ways you cannot imagine 

the greatest joy a human being can experience , which finds no description , is if God turns to your heart , if He reveals Himself to you, then EVERYTHING makes sense 
but the problem is that WE with our tiny little puny little minds think we know better, we think we have comprehended the universe and think we figured it all out , that is where the problem is 

(April 6, 2015 at 11:41 pm)yukapuka Wrote:

(April 6, 2015 at 10:17 pm)dyresand Wrote: Subjective pascals wager.

Even with pascals wager and to say if a god existed what if you are dead wrong and it's
not a god that isn't written about in any human literature what if that god is pure evil
incarnate. 

if you have vision of even a small degree you would see that it is impossible for God to be evil when He created everything with all of its beauty and perfection and the mercy He shows to it , the human being is the only exception for the way God treats the human being depends on how the human being behaves in this life 

if you are an evil creature then God will return evil to you in the worst way possible , if you are a good person then God returns good to you in ways you cannot imagine 

the greatest joy a human being can experience , which finds no description , is if God turns to your heart , if He reveals Himself to you, then EVERYTHING makes sense 
but the problem is that WE with our tiny little puny little minds think we know better, we think we have comprehended the universe and think we figured it all out , that is where the problem is 

Well, whilst you lot are busy prostrating yourself before a cloud-surfing sky man that refuses to stop being shy and reveals himself only to those who most fervently bury their faces in the ground at his feet, the rest of us will be figuring out the workings of the universe and discussing ways to bring peace to humankind in a way that doesn't involve mass worship of an imaginary friend with breathtaking attachment issues.
By all means, join us when you're ready