(May 8, 2015 at 10:04 am)JuliaL Wrote: You experienced an experience during a time when your brain was between sleep and wakefullness.
Why would you trust experience when you were booting up your consciousness?
Do you believe in the reality of all your dreams?
"But it was so REAL!" doesn't work in these cases.  You can't trust your mental state when your mental state is untrustworthy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

Quote: It is often accompanied by terrifying hallucinations (such as an intruder in the room) to which one is unable to react due to paralysis

You just interpreted your brain malfunction according to the priming you've received from religious indoctrination (e.g. Daniel)

Probably your right! But how could i possibly stimulate the experience in my brain and create the image of an Angel if i never opened a bible in my life, I never knew who Daniel was, or read about angels. I began searching for the truth after I had the experience, and the only reference i can provide is found in the Bible. 

Your argument might be plausible if i read the bible Chapter 10 before i went to bed, and unconsciously my brain begins creating image or vision of an Angel. 

That's what I'm saying. There's literally no other possible explanation. It must have been a divine visitation!

(May 8, 2015 at 10:21 am)Prince Wrote: Probably your right! But how could i possibly stimulate the experience in my brain and create the image of an Angel if i never opened a bible in my life, I never knew who Daniel was, or read about angels. I began searching for the truth after I had the experience, and the only reference i can provide is found in the Bible. 

Your argument might be plausible if i read the bible Chapter 10 before i went to bed, and unconsciously my brain begins creating image or vision of an Angel. 

Imagery of angels is ubiquitous in pop culture; therefore, the premise that only the Book of Daniel gives an approximate description of your experience makes your argument unsound.

(May 8, 2015 at 10:34 am)Cato Wrote:

(May 8, 2015 at 10:21 am)Prince Wrote: Probably your right! But how could i possibly stimulate the experience in my brain and create the image of an Angel if i never opened a bible in my life, I never knew who Daniel was, or read about angels. I began searching for the truth after I had the experience, and the only reference i can provide is found in the Bible. 

Your argument might be plausible if i read the bible Chapter 10 before i went to bed, and unconsciously my brain begins creating image or vision of an Angel. 

Imagery of angels is ubiquitous in pop culture; therefore, the premise that only the Book of Daniel gives an approximate description of your experience makes your argument unsound.

Bro! I wish If I had another good explanation for this, but unfortunate I don't. You know what they always say, that ''all dreams are weird", and most of our times we cannot control our dreams. This exact experience was not a dream, nor a vision in a dream, neither a figment of my own imagination. Its just reality, my brain was in state of consciousnesses, I was fully awake. As I woke up at 3 or 4 o'clock after midnight... I was up, not a sleep, i was convinced that it wasn't a nightmare either. Because i felt in complete peace, I wasn't terrified of the spirit.

(May 8, 2015 at 10:49 am)Prince Wrote:

(May 8, 2015 at 10:34 am)Cato Wrote: Imagery of angels is ubiquitous in pop culture; therefore, the premise that only the Book of Daniel gives an approximate description of your experience makes your argument unsound.

Bro! I wish If I had another good explanation for this, but unfortunate I don't. You know what they always say, that ''all dreams are weird", and most of our times we cannot control our dreams. This exact experience was not a dream, nor a vision in a dream, neither a figment of my own imagination. Its just reality, my brain was in state of consciousnesses, I was fully awake. As I woke up at 3 or 4 o'clock after midnight... I was up, not a sleep, i was convinced that it wasn't a nightmare either. Because i felt in complete peace, I wasn't terrified of the spirit.

It's a common description of these states of mind. It's along the same lines as reports of some UFO visitations.

I've had quite a few "strange experiences" before. I could decide to read into them whatever I wanted them to mean, or I could accept that the most likely explanation is that I was hallucinating/half dreaming.

(May 8, 2015 at 10:21 am)Prince Wrote: Probably your right! But how could i possibly stimulate the experience in my brain and create the image of an Angel if i never opened a bible in my life, I never knew who Daniel was, or read about angels. I began searching for the truth after I had the experience, and the only reference i can provide is found in the Bible. 

Your argument might be plausible if i read the bible Chapter 10 before i went to bed, and unconsciously my brain begins creating image or vision of an Angel. 

Post-hoc rationalization probably.
Are you saying you never had exposure to stories of supernatural creatures?
Are you consciously aware of all your past influences and able to judge between them which are in play at any given time?

There's lots of neural processing that goes on without our being aware of it.  Just yesterday, I was watching an episode of 'The Love Boat' in which Marion Ross and Ronnie Howard were playing the parts of Mrs. and Richie Cunningham.  There was a sit-com that spun off of this but I couldn't remember the name and gave up on it.  Fifteen minutes later its name, "Happy Days" just popped up in my mind.  Clearly, my brain was off working the problem without telling me anything other than the final answer.  Your mind works that way too.

The lack of detail in the biblical description of 'angel' also helps you in your preferred conclusion.  If it was more demanding, for example, if the bible gave a specific brand of sandal, and you observed the same in your sleep-paralysis experience, you'd have better evidence of a linkage of some kind.  As is, you're claiming more than your evidence supports over an alternative, non-supernatural explanation.

Reasonable explanation depends not only on evidence, but replication and multiple observers. If you could please get your 'angel' to appear for more of us under controlled conditions, I think we'd be more sympathetic to your claims.

(May 8, 2015 at 10:59 am)Alex K Wrote:

(May 8, 2015 at 10:49 am)Prince Wrote: Bro! I wish If I had another good explanation for this, but unfortunate I don't. You know what they always say, that ''all dreams are weird", and most of our times we cannot control our dreams. This exact experience was not a dream, nor a vision in a dream, neither a figment of my own imagination. Its just reality, my brain was in state of consciousnesses, I was fully awake. As I woke up at 3 or 4 o'clock after midnight... I was up, not a sleep, i was convinced that it wasn't a nightmare either. Because i felt in complete peace, I wasn't terrified of the spirit.

It's a common description of these states of mind. It's along the same lines as reports of some UFO visitations.

That's what i thought, after reading an incredible book by the famous Atheist Astronomer Carl Sagan, a book called 'The Demon-Haunted World'. He argues that people have hallucinations or dreams about alien visitations. He explains that the stories are not credible enough. Because most of the event people are experiencing is while they are a sleep. 

It's true that i was a sleep at that night, but I got up when I felt someone pulling my legs... When i opened my eyes, the spirit was still there in front of me. Let us say if it was just a dream, then why didn't the spirit disappeared when i opened my eyes??? As we all know, when you are in a middle of a dream, and your Father comes in and interrupt your sleeping, you will immediately wake up and see the image of your Father. Correct? 

So, at that night, when i woke i saw the image of the spirit. 

How did the encounter end? Did you go back to bed, or get up and brush your teeth, after being visited by an angel?

(May 8, 2015 at 11:17 am)JuliaL Wrote:

(May 8, 2015 at 10:21 am)Prince Wrote: Probably your right! But how could i possibly stimulate the experience in my brain and create the image of an Angel if i never opened a bible in my life, I never knew who Daniel was, or read about angels. I began searching for the truth after I had the experience, and the only reference i can provide is found in the Bible. 

Your argument might be plausible if i read the bible Chapter 10 before i went to bed, and unconsciously my brain begins creating image or vision of an Angel. 

Post-hoc rationalization probably.
Are you saying you never had exposure to stories of supernatural creatures?
Are you consciously aware of all your past influences and able to judge between them which are in play at any given time?

There's lots of neural processing that goes on without our being aware of it.  Just yesterday, I was watching an episode of 'The Love Boat' in which Marion Ross and Ronnie Howard were playing the parts of Mrs. and Richie Cunningham.  There was a sit-com that spun off of this but I couldn't remember the name and gave up on it.  Fifteen minutes later its name, "Happy Days" just popped up in my mind.  Clearly, my brain was off working the problem without telling me anything other than the final answer.  Your mind works that way too.

The lack of detail in the biblical description of 'angel' also helps you in your preferred conclusion.  If it was more demanding, for example, if the bible gave a specific brand of sandal, and you observed the same in your sleep-paralysis experience, you'd have better evidence of a linkage of some kind.  As is, you're claiming more than your evidence supports over an alternative, non-supernatural explanation.

My view of the Angel was, His feet was like human, He was wearing a white garment, His face was shining, and had wings, I didn't see any eyes, mouth or nose. Finally, his color was almost sliver, or chrome.  I know that if i told this description to a sketch artist, he will think i am a lunatic and crazy, and they will probably send me to a mental institute.  But, i was shocked when i noticed that Daniel gives the same kind of description of the Angel. 

Its gotta be the truth.