(July 1, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 1, 2015 at 2:12 pm)whateverist Wrote: Perhaps it is time for you all to open your eyes and realize that the SCOTUS decision is an instance of God's will being done and accept it for the rebuke that it is of your presumption in assuming you know the mind of God.  Why is humility so lacking among the flock anyway?

Could be that you all should remember what God did in Egypt, He allowed the hardhearted Pharaoh to do as he pleased, then God had His turn at demonstrating that to defy Him brings a cost to the defiant. God said He will allow the world start spiraling down quicker, to bring an end to this world for His peoples sake. Are you absolutely sure you've not jumped into the spiral.

GC

All of which is just to say God is a bad ass and can mess you up.  Still doesn't convince me that Drich has got God's message right.  I remain unconvinced that the bible is even a relevant source.  If God exists, He won't be answerable for the choices your lot makes regarding the bible and 'His word'.  You guys aren't really more faithful than anyone else, you just believe more adamantly that you are right.

So, the Holocaust, the Black Plague, the Great Famine in Ireland, the Armenian Genocide and any number of horrible events did not anger your god enough to return to earth. Yet the fact that two men can legally marry is the tipping point that makes him want to destroy a large portion of humankind?

Wow. Mind is blown. That God is one sick MF.

(July 1, 2015 at 4:21 pm)Nope Wrote: So, the Holocaust, the Black Plague, the Great Famine in Ireland, the Armenian Genocide and any number of horrible events did not anger  your god enough to return to earth. Yet the fact that two men can legally marry is the tipping point that makes him want to destroy a large portion of humankind?

Well, to be fair, genocide is really just the children of god trying to emulate their sky daddy and his favorite past time.  Boys will be boys!

(July 1, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 1, 2015 at 2:12 pm)whateverist Wrote: Perhaps it is time for you all to open your eyes and realize that the SCOTUS decision is an instance of God's will being done and accept it for the rebuke that it is of your presumption in assuming you know the mind of God.  Why is humility so lacking among the flock anyway?

Could be that you all should remember what God did in Egypt, He allowed the hardhearted Pharaoh to do as he pleased, then God had His turn at demonstrating that to defy Him brings a cost to the defiant. God said He will allow the world start spiraling down quicker, to bring an end to this world for His peoples sake. Are you absolutely sure you've not jumped into the spiral.

GC

I don't think you remember the phaoroh story very well; god didn't "allow" the phaoroh to do anything, he actively hardened phaoroh's heart so that he couldn't obey and god got to show off. Given that, how are you so sure gay marriage isn't just god hungry for a brag again?

(July 1, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Godschild Wrote: Could be that you all should remember what God did in Egypt, He allowed the hardhearted Pharaoh to do as he pleased, then God had His turn at demonstrating that to defy Him brings a cost to the defiant.

You do realize that never happened. It's just a fairy tale. There was no Egyptian exodus.

Might as well punctuate that with "And they lived happily ever after..."

Cinjin FYI- the God of the bible did NOT without disclaimer, promise to grant any request made to Him.
Where did you get that idea?
For the same reason you can't just type any set of numbers into a telephone and expect to connect up to home,
there is a similar reason why some prayers are answered and a whole bunch are not.
The cause of failure is found in any mirror.

I'm starting to suspect the ONLY reason the bible was written was so people can legitimise their personal biases, racism and general hatred for their fellow man.

(July 1, 2015 at 5:50 am)robvalue Wrote: Christians know so little of their own book that they don't realize that no sodomy happened in Sodom, except perhaps what would have happened to the virgin daughters offered up for rape, an act that went unpunished. The townspeople allegedly wanted to "lie with Angels" of no specific gender.

rob-

You ought to read scripture yourself before commenting upon it. And no, quoting "evilbible" doesn't count.

Quote:Genesis 19:1-9

19 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”

“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”

3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

Q: Why did Lot insist that the visitors not spend the night in the square?
A: Because Lot knew the visitors would be raped.

Q: Why does the scripture say that "all the men...of Sodom" demand that Lot turn the visitors over to them?
A: Because the Sodomites wanted to have sex with them.

Q: Did the men of Sodom know that the visitors were actually angels from God and not men?
A: No, the Sodomites believed that they were men and that they would be able to rape them.

Q: How did the Sodomites react when Lot offered his own daughters instead of the visitors?
A: The Sodomites preferred sodomy to natural intercourse with women.

Bonus Question

Q: Why did God utterly destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah?
A: Because He is righteous and holy and just. The sins of those cities cried out to heaven for punishment.

Randy, that verse does not say that god punished Sodom for homosexuality. You are reading into the text. The bible is clear why Sodom was punished.

From Ezekiel 16

Quote:…49"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. 50"Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it.

Bible god punished the people of Sodom because they didn't help the poor.