Evolution or Devolution?

[Thor]

An alternate explanation is found in the Bible. It tells us that every form of life, including man, was created by God already perfect and fully developed. But because of sin all forms of life became imperfect and subject to death.

I have an alternate explanation, too! You see, the Keebler elves baked people-shaped cookies and brought them to life by dusting them with magical powder!

And this "alternate explanation" is just as valid as yours.

[Skipper]

When your only source for this theory is the bible you really shouldn't be starting threads in the science section.

[Welsh cake]

It is a widely held belief that life began with a simple single celled organism and over time the descendants of that first lifeform changed in various ways and became more complex to produce all the different forms of life we have today. This process in called evolution.

Read up on evolution, go Wikipedia even. Then you'll know it's not actually a "belief", but scientific fact, and maybe, just maybe you'll save yourself the time and embarrassment.

An alternate explanation is found in the Bible.

Even if I accept that ridiculous claim, your failure to prove God being the stumbling block of your argument, the Bible has no explanatory power or consistency; if it did it wouldn't need apologists making excuses for it. What kind of all-powerful God needs Ray Comfort's defence? You tell me.

Genesis 5 shows us that originally it was normal for people to live to be over 900 years old.

Why should we care what the Bible says? Chapter Four in "The Iron Man" by Ted Hughes tells us that a space-bat-angel-dragon, the size of Australia, came to Earth from Constellation of Orion. It does not show us how humans had a longer lifespans in comparison - it asserts that people lived to these biologically improbable ages. Unless you find circular reasoning such as "the Bible proves the Bible" convincing no one in their right sane mind is going to accept that fantasy as truth.

In recent years improvements in sanitation, nutrition, and medicine have enabled people to live longer that in the past but this doesn't mean that our normal lifespan has increased.

You need to read up on Reliability theory particularly where it concerns biological aging and longevity. If you had you would have known there's no theoretical upper limit to human longevity, or a definitive maximal human lifespan that says any human being anywhere ever lived to 900 years of age. I suppose you'll argue next that a lack of God in our lives is responsible for this? >.> At this point you really have to provide evidence that people ever lived longer in the first instance otherwise you'll end up making one nonsensical statement after another.

But is this change the result of evolution or devolution? Are we seeing a process that began with simple lifeforms and has led to the development of more complex life or are we seeing a process of degeneration from an original state of prefection?

You seem to think so. Demonstrate it.

Until you do, we're done here.

[Darwinian]

It is a widely held belief that life began with a simple single celled organism and over time the descendants of that first lifeform changed in various ways and became more complex to produce all the different forms of life we have today. This process in called evolution.

Evolution has nothing to say about how the first life form came into existence. It tells us the story of what happened immediately after. It also shows us that all life on this planet is related and, if you where able, you could trace your family tree back through the generations until you eventually arrived back to that first life form, which, would certainly not have seem something as complex as a single cell.

An alternate explanation is found in the Bible.

Alternative explanations can be found throughout the history of human enquiry. The Dreamtime is another and equally valid explanation to yours along with countless others.

The main differences between these myths and evolution is that it is only the latter that can stand up to the rigour of scientific investigation so much so that it is now considered as fact due to the overwhelming amount of evidence in all fields of biology and its total lack of any form of reliance on the supernatural.

This is in sharp contrast to the Biblical explanation which, like all other creation myths, falls flat on its face whenever serious questions are asked of it.

Genesis 5 shows us that originally it was normal for people to live to be over 900 years old.

The first Harry Potter book shows us that the Philosophers Stone can extend life to many centuries. This is of course fiction as well.

In recent years improvements in sanitation, nutrition, and medicine have enabled people to live longer that in the past but this doesn't mean that our normal lifespan has increased.

Well it does mean that our normal lifespan has increased doesn't it? Centuries ago you would have been lucky to get into your 40's or 50's but these days it's quite normal for people to reach their 90's or even more.

But is this change the result of evolution or devolution?

Neither. And please remove the word devolution from your vocabulary as it meaningless and shows that its user has a totally erroneous view of what evolution actually is.

Are we seeing a process that began with simple lifeforms and has led to the development of more complex life or are we seeing a process of degeneration from an original state of prefection?

We are seeing a process that began with simple lifeforms which has led to a vast array of organisms perfectly suited to exist in their own particular environment.

The sooner that people realise the the Bible and similar texts are a complete work of fiction the sooner their eyes will be opened to viewing the Universe and its workings as they really are rather than how they want them to be.

[Jaysyn]

As we wait for some sign of acknowledgment from Blizzard, I would like to welcome you guys to give suggestions such as new talent ideas, core mechanical changes, anything that you would like to see changed, added, or even removed from the warrior class to make it more enjoyable to play.

Wrong thread much?

[Justtristo]

There needs to be a place where a new subforum called 'pseudoscience' and creationists can 'disprove' evolution with answersingenesis.com. As Chuck said, 'How is this science at all?'

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I second the motion for the establish a pseudoscience forum on here.