Dr. Donald Whitaker - Ex Atheist

[Esquilax]

There aren't any arguments for the resurrection. There's the assertion that it happened, and then a cadre of ideologues trying to spin the absolute lack of justification for that claim as proof positive on its own. They are literally suggesting that zero is a positive number, and that that number equals Jesus.

yes there are
why don't you go research them

Why are you entering into a discussion with me in bad faith by assuming that I haven't?

You mentioned the empty tomb once already here, and that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about: that's apologists literally going "hey look! Nothing!" and then suggesting that this literal empty space is evidence for their miracle claim somehow.

[sinnerdaniel94]

Christianity hinges on one event the resurrection of Jesus
I was under the impression that atheists knew the arguments for the resurrection and rejected them

Daniel. I am talking to you, not "Christianity." There are over 40,000 sects of Christianity. I have no idea which of those sects you are a part of. I, unlike you, will not treat you like I know what your position is. I am asking you to clarify so that I can understand what you think, not what Christianity thinks.

So, instead of strawmanning your position, I ask these questions to find out what you actually believe. I am treating you like a human with individual thoughts and not some buzzing drone of the Christian hive mind. Kindly return the favor.

In point of fact, one of the most infuriating parts of talking with you, Daniel, is your insistence on not clarifying your position. You have proven yourself to be woefully ignorant on a lot of topics, the worst of which is how to talk to people intellectually---forget atheists. You are not coming off as intellectually capable of having a mature conversation. I hope I'm wrong, but you haven't given me any evidence to the contrary.

The Bible is your claim. It cannot also be your proof. If you go down that line of reasoning, then A Song of Ice and Fire is my claim, and I will point to "A Game of Thrones" as proof that the old gods are superior to your Jesus, and that one need only look into the crying eyes of the wierwood face in the godswood to know this is true. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

http://christianity.about.com/od/easter/...ection.htm

this article is informative.

[JesusHChrist]

Earth to Matilda!

A lot of people on here are NOT ignorant of "Christianity", by whatever definition you use. I was married to a strong believer for pushing 30 years. Attending many a service, bible study, had conversations with pastors, deacons, the ex-wife, family members and on and on, And ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON..........

And ON. And then ON for more. Decades. More.

We've heard your soppy stories -stories you cannot back up. You are failing Daniel. As others have said, how about trying a different tact? Current mode is clearly not working.

All we ask for, is, evidence your claims are true. The Bible is the claim, not the evidence. If it were, we'd (and you too!) have to also accept the Gita or Qu'ran or the Book of Mormon as the "evidence" as well. No special standing for the Bible.

Do you get it? Or are you really just a mindless drone simpleton of the Christian hive mind?

[sinnerdaniel94]

yes there are
why don't you go research them

Why are you entering into a discussion with me in bad faith by assuming that I haven't?

You mentioned the empty tomb once already here, and that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about: that's apologists literally going "hey look! Nothing!" and then suggesting that this literal empty space is evidence for their miracle claim somehow.

it wasn't just the empty tomb that convinced them; they claimed that they saw and touched and ate with Him
then the church exploded because you had these people saying Jesus was raised from the dead and then dying for what they believed

[SteelCurtain]

http://christianity.about.com/od/easter/...ection.htm

this article is informative.

So you didn't read my post. Got it.

The Bible cannot be proof of its own claims, Daniel.

[Whateverist]

http://christianity.about.com/od/easter/...ection.htm

this article is informative.

So you didn't read my post. Got it.

The Bible cannot be proof of its own claims, Daniel.

But if it could that would belong in Revelations.

[Simon Moon]

Why are you entering into a discussion with me in bad faith by assuming that I haven't?

You mentioned the empty tomb once already here, and that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about: that's apologists literally going "hey look! Nothing!" and then suggesting that this literal empty space is evidence for their miracle claim somehow.

it wasn't just the empty tomb that convinced them; they claimed that they saw and touched and ate with Him
then the church exploded because you had these people saying Jesus was raised from the dead and then dying for what they believed

Circular logic is circular.

You are claiming the Bible is true, and you are using the Bible as evidence for that claim. 

If you are unable to see the problem with that, time to read a book on basic logic.

[Esquilax]

Why are you entering into a discussion with me in bad faith by assuming that I haven't?

You mentioned the empty tomb once already here, and that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about: that's apologists literally going "hey look! Nothing!" and then suggesting that this literal empty space is evidence for their miracle claim somehow.

it wasn't just the empty tomb that convinced them; they claimed that they saw and touched and ate with Him
then the church exploded because you had these people saying Jesus was raised from the dead and then dying for what they believed

Well, fine, and that's good enough justification for them to believe, but it certainly isn't good reason to believe it centuries later on the say so of anonymously written assertions of what happened with no outside or first-hand accounts, nor unbiased extra-biblical sources. What you've described is fine for the people that actually saw Jesus, it's not fine at all for the apologists making these arguments today, certainly not for you or I, and yet you're seriously expecting us to accept these arguments: why?

[Jackalope]

Jesus is real and he was raised from the dead.
This thor is make belief.

Prove it.

[The Valkyrie]

So now I'm being ignored.

Ha!