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Senate votes to abolish "don't ask don't tell"
December 18, 2010 at 11:28 pm
Obama did something else right!
US Senate votes to allow openly gay soldiers in military
'Don't ask, don't tell' overturned by 65-31 majority in Senate, paving way for Obama to sign a law ending the policy this week
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec...enate-vote
Good news for all the homos out there  One step closer to equality for you lot.
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RE: Senate votes to abolish "don't ask don't tell"
December 19, 2010 at 12:14 am
All this really does is let the military decide whether to kick them out (because they are gay) on a case by case basis.
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RE: Senate votes to abolish "don't ask don't tell"
December 19, 2010 at 12:21 am
You'll need to do more than assert it. Where did you get that info?
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RE: Senate votes to abolish "don't ask don't tell"
December 19, 2010 at 2:09 am
It only cost the 'compromise' of nearly a trillion dollars for rich people and the bill to give 9/11 first responders healthcare to stop them from dying on related illnesses, but progress is progress, I guess.
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RE: Senate votes to abolish "don't ask don't tell"
December 19, 2010 at 9:22 am
(December 19, 2010 at 12:14 am)Jaysyn Wrote: All this really does is let the military decide whether to kick them out (because they are gay) on a case by case basis.
huh?
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RE: Senate votes to abolish "don't ask don't tell"
December 19, 2010 at 12:25 pm
(December 19, 2010 at 2:09 am)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: It only cost the 'compromise' of nearly a trillion dollars for rich people and the bill to give 9/11 first responders healthcare to stop them from dying on related illnesses, but progress is progress, I guess.
You cant blame obama for the republicans being dicks.
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RE: Senate votes to abolish "don't ask don't tell"
December 19, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Well it's better than nothing. Anyone dumb enough to enlist in the army ought to be allowed if they are physically and mentally fit.
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RE: Senate votes to abolish "don't ask don't tell"
December 19, 2010 at 7:49 pm
(December 19, 2010 at 12:25 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (December 19, 2010 at 2:09 am)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: It only cost the 'compromise' of nearly a trillion dollars for rich people and the bill to give 9/11 first responders healthcare to stop them from dying on related illnesses, but progress is progress, I guess.
You cant blame obama for the republicans being dicks.
But you can blame him for being the weakest negotiator to ever occupy the White House. No president in history has ever taken such a huge electoral mandate combined with massive majorities in both houses and still negotiated himself so thoroughly down from this position of strength. He gives half of everything away before he even arrives at the negotiating table, apparently under the delusion that Republicans will be charmed by such magnanimity, and then negotiates most of the rest of the way with little to show for it when he's done. Jimmy Carter looks assertive next to him.
Compare this to Bush who lost the popular vote in 2000, won only by a squeeker 51/48 split, faced hostile majorities in both congress, and still came away with everything he asked for between 06 and 08.
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RE: Senate votes to abolish "don't ask don't tell"
December 19, 2010 at 10:37 pm
(This post was last modified: December 19, 2010 at 10:39 pm by Ashendant.)
(December 19, 2010 at 7:49 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: (December 19, 2010 at 12:25 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (December 19, 2010 at 2:09 am)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: It only cost the 'compromise' of nearly a trillion dollars for rich people and the bill to give 9/11 first responders healthcare to stop them from dying on related illnesses, but progress is progress, I guess.
You cant blame obama for the republicans being dicks.
But you can blame him for being the weakest negotiator to ever occupy the White House. No president in history has ever taken such a huge electoral mandate combined with massive majorities in both houses and still negotiated himself so thoroughly down from this position of strength. He gives half of everything away before he even arrives at the negotiating table, apparently under the delusion that Republicans will be charmed by such magnanimity, and then negotiates most of the rest of the way with little to show for it when he's done. Jimmy Carter looks assertive next to him.
Compare this to Bush who lost the popular vote in 2000, won only by a squeeker 51/48 split, faced hostile majorities in both congress, and still came away with everything he asked for between 06 and 08.
Unless Palin is the Republican nominee in 2012, I'm voting third party and encouraging everyone I know to do the same. Yes, it will mean a Republican administration for four years. Chemotherapy sucks but we have to go through it and we can't get rid of the Dem cancer of the spine otherwise. From a outside view it seems that conservatives are a serious problem and anything that promotes them is not to be taken lightly, from europe i would prefer a democrat than a loony conservative
Of course if you vote for some kind of socialist party it would be much better
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RE: Senate votes to abolish "don't ask don't tell"
December 20, 2010 at 12:54 am
(December 19, 2010 at 10:37 pm)Ashendant Wrote: From a outside view it seems that conservatives are a serious problem and anything that promotes them is not to be taken lightly, from europe i would prefer a democrat than a loony conservative
I can appreciate that perspective. Believe me I don't propose this with a song in my heart. But with both parties running further and further to the right wing each year, something has to be done to break the cycle.
I'm open to alternate suggestions.
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