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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:05 pm
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(June 1, 2016 at 4:00 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: It seems the most important thing we can do in this matter is assign blame.
What else is there to discuss that doesn't involve finding reasons?
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:10 pm
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(June 1, 2016 at 4:04 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 2:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: She most certainly did, both times.
“We are so thankful to the Lord that our child is safe. He is home and doing just fine. We extend our heartfelt thanks for the quick action by the Cincinnati Zoo staff. We know that this was a very difficult decision for them, and that they are grieving the loss of their gorilla.”
"We continue to praise God for His grace and mercy, and to be thankful to the Cincinnati Zoo for their actions taken to protect our child. Some have offered money to the family, which we do not want and will not accept," the family said. "If anyone wishes to make a gift, we recommend a donation to the Cincinnati Zoo in Harambe's name." That was the second version, she deleted the first version (below) after she caught a bunch of shit for not mentioning the zoo or the poor animal.
And yes, C_L, giving praise to a deity which could have prevented the whole situation with no effort if it existed makes one a douche in my eyes. It doesn't make a person evil or an idiot, but if people did all the things that rectified your situation, and you can only bring yourself to mention those people or the animal that lost its life to rectify your situation after you catch shit for not doing so, I think you're douchy.
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To me, it's no difference to praising Jesus for allowing you to get through the heart defect he gave you and forgetting to mention the cardiac surgeon who spent 10 years studying and practicing to be the best, the team of professionals that cared for you in the hospital, or the paramedics who pulled you out of a car wreck that was caused by you passing out in traffic. All of these people did the things and had the expertise that kept you alive, buy you praised the thing you believe gave you the defect in the first place.
"And yes, C_L, giving praise to a deity which could have prevented the whole situation with no effort if it existed makes one a douche in my eyes."
In all 3 statements, deleted or not, she thanks God AND the people. Including the one you showed me above. I guess you consider me a douche then, because I would have said said something very similar. Praised God that my kid didn't die before the people got there, and then thanked the people for what they did.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:10 pm
I believe the gorilla was being a better parent than the mother.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:17 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 3:57 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 3:19 pm)Drich Wrote: [...]Kinda like how the Spartans did things.
Yeah... Do you ever wonder why we don't see many Spartans running around?
We do.. We just call them by different names now.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:17 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 4:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: "And yes, C_L, giving praise to a deity which could have prevented the whole situation with no effort if it existed makes one a douche in my eyes."
I guess you consider me a douche then, because I would have said said something very similar. Praised God that my kid didn't die before the people got there, and then thanked the people for what they did.
You wanna finish the rest of my quote/reasoning?
You did this with the original quote as well. The words "and" and "or" are connecting clauses that are important for stringing several ideas together. Stopping reading after getting to a part you don't like and forgetting the rest isn't very honest.
For example, "and then thanked the people for what they did" changes the entire meaning of your statement, and excludes said statement from what I was talking about.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:22 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 4:17 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 4:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: "And yes, C_L, giving praise to a deity which could have prevented the whole situation with no effort if it existed makes one a douche in my eyes."
I guess you consider me a douche then, because I would have said said something very similar. Praised God that my kid didn't die before the people got there, and then thanked the people for what they did.
You wanna finish the rest of my quote/reasoning?
You did this with the original quote as well. The words "and" and "or" are connecting clauses that are important for stringing several ideas together. Stopping reading after getting to a part you don't like and forgetting the rest isn't very honest.
For example, "and then thanked the people for what they did" changes the entire meaning of your statement, and excludes said statement from what I was talking about.
Oh, I see. She didn't word it properly the first time she said anything. Yeah, total douche.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:24 pm
The discussion moved from a sad story and something to learn about, to a bunch of apes on keyboards flinging virtual turds at eachother. How ironic.
This ape is out.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:27 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 4:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Oh, I see. She didn't word it properly the first time she said anything. Yeah, total douche.
Yup, not mentioning the animal that got shot in the head so that your son could live makes a person a bit of a douche, even without the God praising.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:29 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 4:24 pm)LastPoet Wrote: The discussion moved from a sad story and something to learn about, to a bunch of apes on keyboards flinging virtual turds at eachother. How ironic.
This ape is out.
I hope I'm not being included in "throwing virtual turd" for objecting to someone being called a douche.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 4:31 pm
(This post was last modified: June 1, 2016 at 4:31 pm by SteelCurtain.)
Also, let's not make the word douche equivalent to "Hitleresque war criminal."
Everybody's a douche sometimes. I'm sure, from your perspective, I'm a douche right now.
I don't know this person; I am not maligning her character here. I am presenting my evaluation of her original response to this issue.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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