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Current time: December 11, 2024, 9:04 pm

Poll: Are Catholics Christians?
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Yes
80.00%
12 80.00%
No
6.67%
1 6.67%
Don't Know
0%
0 0%
Who Gives A Fuck?
13.33%
2 13.33%
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On Catholicism!
#1
On Catholicism!
Simple enough question because I'm sick and tired of theists claiming they aren't ...

... are Catholics Christians?

Vote now please.

Kyu
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#2
RE: On Catholicism!
& what will a poll here prove?
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#3
RE: On Catholicism!
"Christianity may be broadly represented as being divided into five main groupings: Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Protestantism and Restorationism."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity
Wiki citation for this claim: http://www.nvcc.edu/home/lshulman/Rel232...vision.htm

Catholicism is listed as a subdivision of christianity on BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/

And on religioustolerance
http://www.religioustolerance.org/christ.htm

And on christianity.about
http://christianity.about.com/od/denomin...rofile.htm


I'm beginning to see a sort of consensus developping here.
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#4
RE: On Catholicism!
@kyu;

I didn't vote as you didn't have category for "who gives a fuck?"

Me? Oh, ex-Catholic.Cool Shades
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#5
RE: On Catholicism!
of course it is. What say that it isn't?
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#6
RE: On Catholicism!
Oh dear Sad

The Catholic Church is accepted by the wider Christian Church as being Christian. I agree with this. It is also understood by the wider Christian Church that most Catholics aren't actually Christians, that not being a requirement of membership.

Catholicism deviates from Christian teaching in many key areas. Some of those being...

Vicars intercede for God - direct contradiction and one thing Jesus tried to abolish. He famously lost his temper
The Pope isn't a descendant of Peter,and has no authority over the whole church
The Pope isn't what the church is built on. Jesus is - a simple mistranslation
The Pope's words aren't infallible - by a long stretch!
Mary is not God, and cannot be prayed to, along with the rest of the saints - see #1
Mary is a sinner just like other people, she isn't sinless
Catholics do not believe in complete salvation through Christ. Contradicting Christ's words in the Bible
Priests can't make Christians by sprinkling water on people. Only the Holy Spirit can change people according to the Bible
Baptism is a symbolic rite. It is nothing magical
Catholics add books to the Bible
Bread and wine isn't actually the flesh and blood of Jesus. It's a symbol at best.
The whole church is Christs body, the Catholic church says it's only them
There's no such thing as purgatory
RC doctrine contradicts the Bible
Jesus saves by his blood. Catholicism by fire in pergatory
Idolatry is anti Christian - Catholicism removes one of the ten commandments
Christianity states that the Bible is the only source of truth. Catholicism adds tradition and it's own rulings

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So, if you're attributing any of the above misconceptions to Christianity then you're wrong. Which is what Kyu attempts to do. Ktu's understanding of Christianity isn't strictly Christianity, but Catholicisms own version which isn't accepted as Christian by the wider Christian Church. That's a fact.
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#7
RE: On Catholicism!
Isn't it a personal view that it isn't christianity? It's more of an opinion that fact. The fact is that it is a form of christianity and one of the oldest, perhaps the oldest. Don't really know if the ortodox church is older.

Anyway if that isn't christianity then protestanism, atleast the swedish church, isn't christianity at all. They don't really believe in the bible or miracles. As one priest that I have contacted on several occations to see how christians here in sweden think. He said that christainity and religion is about love and the mysteries of life. Sounds bullshit to me but that what he described religion and christianity to me.
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#8
RE: On Catholicism!
I put yes because....

Duh! they follow Jesus and believe in Jesus! And they follow the bible and particularly the New Testament - hell if that doesn't mean you're Christian then what the hell does?

Unless someone's going to be invoking the NTS fallacy or something :p

I mean they're not exactly NON-Christian are they? They don't exactly dislike Jesus and go against his teachings......um.. theyyy'rre pretty big on Jesus.

EvF
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#9
RE: On Catholicism!
Well spoken EVS, agree with you totally.

Just as a side note, why not make a thread about whether or not FC Barcelona is a football team ? Tongue
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#10
RE: On Catholicism!
No - Catholics can go against Christ's teaching - see above.
No - it isn't a personal opinion, see above.

An FC Barcelona question would make more sense, I agree.
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