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Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
#51
RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
(June 23, 2017 at 9:51 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: and if you believe in the wrong God, you actually believe in SATAN

Dun! Dun! Dun!

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#52
RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
(June 23, 2017 at 12:43 am)It_Was_me Wrote: I am agnostic. I take a rather simple approach to this entire God thing. I personally see it as there is really no evidence to prove he exists, however, I also feel there is no evidence to prove that he does not exist. BUT...I do think that the lack of evidence of his existence sort of hints that it is more likely that a God does not exist. I believe it is scientifically irresponsible to say he does exist and vice versa. But like I said, due to the lack of evidence provided for that existence, it seems more likely that there is not a God.

I can understand why one would be an atheist for this reason. It really just does not make much sense for there to be a man in the sky.

I hope I am making sense. 

Yes, I have read the God delusion. It was a very interesting read and I think Richard Dawkins is a very smart man and makes some excellent points. I do think he is sort of an asshole though. [Sorry if I offended anyone with that statement].

I personally preferred "A brief history in time". 

Anyways, I digress. Rolleyes

I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't know with certainty, but I sure as hell don't swallow the religious claptrap.

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#53
RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
And if you're getting the details wrong about your God (and he turns out to be the real one) you are a heretic.


Wouldn't that suck ?!?!?!?!

You manage to pick the right one, and then engage in just a little retconning, or maybe you're not detail oriented about all the appropriate/required God inspired doctrine, edicts, rules, promulgations, commandments and laws and you're still FUCKED.
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#54
RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
Pick a side, fuckasses!

Nah, I can appeciate why a lot of people are agnostic, even if I'm stone-cold atheist.
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#55
RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
(June 24, 2017 at 9:05 am)Khemikal Wrote:
(June 23, 2017 at 9:24 pm)Whateverist Wrote: If I really thought that was all that "gods" referred to, I would be gnostic atheist.  That sort of god is ridiculous.
You probably -are- a gnostic atheist.   Wink

A great many atheists are probably gnostic atheists..but due to centuries of disinformation, social pressure, and general douchebaggery from the religious nitwits; either fail to recognize themselves as such or do not wish to identify themselves as such.

You might, for example, be sitting there thinking "surely there has to be more to this god shit..it's so painfully ridiculous, there has to be more to it for all these people throughout all this time - a hidden variable"

-There isn't.  The nitwits have been desperately -trying- to add the "more" to it for all this time..and the ridiculous shit you're looking at now is the sum total of all that work.


Well, like I said, if I thought that was the whole show I'd be a gnostic atheist.  I just don't think so.  God belief was real, gods as extra psychic phenomena never were.  I'm not sure what it means but I think there may be a worthwhile salvage mission here.  Literal gods are not in play, but figaturive ones may be.  I want to know what it is about us which evokes such notions.  Hey, we all have our vices.  But yeah, I'm gnostic in my atheism toward literal gods, you know - the kind nearly every theist has in mind.
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#56
RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
(June 24, 2017 at 8:02 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Well, like I said, if I thought that was the whole show I'd be a gnostic atheist.  I just don't think so.  God belief was real, gods as extra psychic phenomena never were.  I'm not sure what it means but I think there may be a worthwhile salvage mission here.  Literal gods are not in play, but figaturive ones may be.
Figurative gods are not the subject of the atheist question.


Quote:I want to know what it is about us which evokes such notions.  Hey, we all have our vices.  But yeah, I'm gnostic in my atheism toward literal gods, you know - the kind nearly every theist has in mind.
You imagine that there is some other kind of god.  There isn't.
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#57
RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
(June 24, 2017 at 2:52 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: [edit]

By the way you may be over selling the availability of your book.
It aint on the Amazon I use.

If his last name is Moore, it's out there. Look again. There is one review.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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#58
RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
(June 24, 2017 at 8:06 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(June 24, 2017 at 8:02 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Well, like I said, if I thought that was the whole show I'd be a gnostic atheist.  I just don't think so.  God belief was real, gods as extra psychic phenomena never were.  I'm not sure what it means but I think there may be a worthwhile salvage mission here.  Literal gods are not in play, but figaturive ones may be.
Figurative gods are not the subject of the atheist question.

Speaking entirely for yourself, I'm quite certain you are correct. You do not speak for at least one other atheist.


(June 24, 2017 at 8:06 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(June 24, 2017 at 8:02 pm)Whateverist Wrote: I want to know what it is about us which evokes such notions.  Hey, we all have our vices.  But yeah, I'm gnostic in my atheism toward literal gods, you know - the kind nearly every theist has in mind.
You imagine that there is some other kind of god.  There isn't.


No, I'm quite certain there is something which god belief has been about.  It was never about literal gods but it was most certainly about something.  Since that something wasn't empirical in nature it was something internal, something within the subjective experience of people who believed.  I don't think I've said anything surprising.  But if you have some reason you think I should agree with you, go ahead and run it by me. Otherwise I guess you're just saying you disagree. Got it.
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#59
RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
Since we atheists/agnostics agree that the gods as described in the holy books do not exist, and it is hard enough to even find a theist to describe them to us even in the faintest of detail, how on earth can we atheists or anybody for that matter even begin to talk about any other non standard god and what IT may be composed of or what their agenda is?

We can't. So let's make shit up. Theists...Your turn...I'm leaving this to the experts.
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#60
RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
(June 24, 2017 at 8:25 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(June 24, 2017 at 2:52 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: [edit]

By the way you may be over selling the availability of your book.
It aint on the Amazon I use.

If his last name is Moore, it's out there. Look again. There is one review.

Not on the English amazon it aint.



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