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RE: Psalm 137:9
August 29, 2017 at 9:31 am
(August 29, 2017 at 12:51 am)Minimalist Wrote: (August 28, 2017 at 8:51 pm)Godisgood Wrote: A God with many faults. According to what standard are you using to judge that God is full of faults. And the verse about bashing infants against rocks doesnt mean what it says. There are websites available that explain it.
Mainly I use the standard of taking a look at his ersatz followers. If assholes worship a god the god must be an asshole, too.
But anything that He does that you consider wrong is only wrong based off of nothing but your opinion.
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RE: Psalm 137:9
August 29, 2017 at 10:17 am
Just as anything "he" does that you consider good is only good based on your opinion. That's what "that you consider" means. Why is it acceptable for you, but not for anyone else?
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RE: Psalm 137:9
August 29, 2017 at 10:21 am
(August 29, 2017 at 10:17 am)Cyberman Wrote: Just as anything "he" does that you consider good is only good based on your opinion. That's what "that you consider" means. Why is it acceptable for you, but not for anyone else?
Not to mention, if there were no god concepts from the start of history, and these books of 'morality' were acknowledged only to be written by men, then ANYTHING they said that don't contribute to human well-being (homophobia, slavery, misogyny), nobody would be making these bullshit excuses to defend them. This is called a hypocritical double standard, folks. "Do as I say, not as I do" is not how parents teach their kids to be ethical. If a parent happens to be your invisible sky daddy, there is zero difference in the outcome.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: Psalm 137:9
August 29, 2017 at 12:23 pm
(August 29, 2017 at 9:31 am)Godisgood Wrote: (August 29, 2017 at 12:51 am)Minimalist Wrote: Mainly I use the standard of taking a look at his ersatz followers. If assholes worship a god the god must be an asshole, too.
But anything that He does that you consider wrong is only wrong based off of nothing but your opinion.
"He" don't do shit because "he" doesn't exist. But his asshole followers....look in a mirror....exist and the harm they have inflicted on the world in the name of their fairy tales has been immeasurable.
The problem is not your non-existent god.... or any of the other gods the human mind has invented across the centuries. The problem is fuckheads like you.
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RE: Psalm 137:9
August 29, 2017 at 2:50 pm
(August 29, 2017 at 9:31 am)Godisgood Wrote: (August 29, 2017 at 12:51 am)Minimalist Wrote: Mainly I use the standard of taking a look at his ersatz followers. If assholes worship a god the god must be an asshole, too.
But anything that He does that you consider wrong is only wrong based off of nothing but your opinion.
In your opinion, do you have something better to base it on?
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RE: Psalm 137:9
August 29, 2017 at 5:44 pm
(August 29, 2017 at 9:31 am)Godisgood Wrote: (August 29, 2017 at 12:51 am)Minimalist Wrote: Mainly I use the standard of taking a look at his ersatz followers. If assholes worship a god the god must be an asshole, too.
But anything that He does that you consider wrong is only wrong based off of nothing but your opinion.
So, Satan slaughters millions (something that didn't happen, according to the bible) and it's bad, but god slaughters millions (something that didn't happen, according to reality), but it's not bad and potentially good?
Honestly, how do you do the mental gymnastics to justify something like that?
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RE: Psalm 137:9
August 29, 2017 at 6:39 pm
(August 29, 2017 at 5:44 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (August 29, 2017 at 9:31 am)Godisgood Wrote: But anything that He does that you consider wrong is only wrong based off of nothing but your opinion.
So, Satan slaughters millions (something that didn't happen, according to the bible) and it's bad, but god slaughters millions (something that didn't happen, according to reality), but it's not bad and potentially good?
Honestly, how do you do the mental gymnastics to justify something like that?
The shit spewing forth from them is all the proof we need it's rusting the gears and loosening all the screws up in their cuckoo clock.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: Psalm 137:9
August 30, 2017 at 1:10 am
(This post was last modified: August 30, 2017 at 1:17 am by Godisgood.)
One has absolute authority over everyone and He created everyone, and the other one doesnt. One can sin and do bad things and one cant. God cant ever do bad things, and no human can prove that He cant. All they can do is give their opinions. And it doesnt matter how many God killed? What matters is whether or not it was Just.
How do we Justify that?
We are finite beings and He is infinite. It might make sense to just trust Him and consider the fact that He knows what He is doing and we don't. He created us, He has the right to decide whats right and wrong, not us. He has the right to take life whenever He sees fit. Plus we are ALL sinners.
Its your opinion that He doesnt exist. You CAN'T prove that He doesn't exist as a fact. You can only give your opinion.
And yet big bad daddy god doesn't seem to see fit to come down and correct people's 'misinterpretations' of his so-called inspired, omnibenevolent will. That speaks of a very shitty character of god. You have no way of getting around that one, weasel.
You have no basis other than your opinion to say that God is immoral. You are only offering your opinions.
God judging those who do wrong isn't EVIL. Its really very simple how He judges people and why He punishes them the way He does. The Bible is very clear on this subject.
The Bible says that sin demands death and that everyone is a sinner and that there is no one who does good. Therefore, EVERYONE, deserves to die.
(August 29, 2017 at 2:50 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (August 29, 2017 at 9:31 am)Godisgood Wrote: But anything that He does that you consider wrong is only wrong based off of nothing but your opinion.
In your opinion, do you have something better to base it on?
I dont understand what your are asking in regards to my comment?!?
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RE: Psalm 137:9
August 30, 2017 at 1:24 am
(August 30, 2017 at 1:10 am)Godisgood Wrote: (August 29, 2017 at 2:50 pm)Whateverist Wrote: In your opinion, do you have something better to base it on?
I dont understand what your are asking in regards to my comment?!?
I'm just asking why in your opinion you think you have a better basis for condemning what is wrong than any atheist has. Whatever it might be, it still seems to be your opinion vs ours.
It isn't unusual to have theists drop by here impressed with the objective basis belief in their god gives them. But rarely do they realize it is still just their opinion that god provides that objective basis. Obviously being a lowly human like us, that is all you have too.
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RE: Psalm 137:9
August 30, 2017 at 2:06 am
(This post was last modified: August 30, 2017 at 2:10 am by Godisgood.)
No its not just an opinion that God gives objective morals.
God isnt a sinner, so that makes His standard Objective. His standard is absolute and unchanging. Ours isn't.
I'm just asking why in your opinion you think you have a better basis for condemning what is wrong than any atheist has. Whatever it might be, it still seems to be your opinion vs ours.
No it isn't my opinion. It isn't based on my opinions. It is based on God's Word in the Bible and what He says is right and wrong, not what we say.
God created us, so He has the right to hold us to His moral standard.
From its first verse, the Bible asserts, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” ( Genesis 1:1). Because God created us and made us in His image, we belong to Him and are obligated to live according to His standard or face His judgment.
If a fellow human were to arbitrarily decide what morality involves and impose his standard on us, we could say his morality is subjective, according to his personal preferences and beliefs. But because God created us, He has authority over us and has the right to hold us to His standard. We inherently know this ultimate standard of right and wrong because God has written His law on our hearts ( Romans 2:15).
God’s moral standard flows from His unchanging nature, so His standard is absolute.
God cannot sin, so His standard is objective.
God’s moral standard flows from His unchanging nature. Because God’s nature is perfect and holy, He cannot sin, so His standard is objective. It is impossible for God to contradict Himself or act inconsistently with His own nature ( 2 Timothy 2:13).
This is from an article that has an objection raised by an atheist, who is making a very similar objection that you are making. I would like to be able to present it to you.
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