Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up

[Pat Mustard]

I would plan to vaccinate my kids, but I feel like if someone doesn't want to for whatever reason they shouldn't be forced into it .

So you think that pandering to someone else's idiocy is more important than your children's health. Well, no surprises really from a follower of child-rapists-r-us.

[Whateverist]

No need to go there. it is a valid concern to want to avoid coercion where possible. She feels as strongly about abortion as we do the need to vaccinate without getting shrill about it.

[Pat Mustard]

Will a vaccinated kid die from going to school with a non vaccinated kid though? I understand weighing the risks and consequences. Just don't know if this is being blown a little our of proportion.

Yes. Look up herd immunity some time.

[Amarok]

So you think that pandering to someone else's idiocy is more important than your children's health. Well, no surprises really from a follower of child-rapists-r-us.

Tazz too far

[Pat Mustard]

No need to go there.  it is a valid concern to want to avoid coercion where possible.  She feels as strongly about abortion as we do the need to vaccinate without getting shrill about it.

And what she's doing is using the long time catholic oppositional tactic of "just asking questions" to try and discredit vaccines. C_L is not all sweetness and light as she would have you believe. Look up her posting history, her kudosing history &c and you'll find that she's in ordinately fond of the more extreme end of christian theology.

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So you think that pandering to someone else's idiocy is more important than your children's health. Well, no surprises really from a follower of child-rapists-r-us.

Tazz too far

Why? She's hardline catholic, showing a consistent defence of the horros the catholic church has perpetrated and denigration of those who would bring those horrors into the light.

She doesn't get a pass from me because she's got a good looking woman as her avatar and rarely posts something funny about herself.

[Amarok]

No need to go there.  it is a valid concern to want to avoid coercion where possible.  She feels as strongly about abortion as we do the need to vaccinate without getting shrill about it.

And what she's doing is using the long time catholic oppositional tactic of "just asking questions" to try and discredit vaccines. C_L is not all sweetness and light as she would have you believe. Look up her posting history, her kudosing history &c and you'll find that she's in ordinately fond of the more extreme end of christian theology.

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Tazz too far

Why? She's hardline catholic, showing a consistent defence of the horros the catholic church has perpetrated and denigration of those who would bring those horrors into the light.

She doesn't get a pass from me because she's got a good looking woman as her avatar and rarely posts something funny about herself.

1. No she hasn't

2. Her appearance nor her humor posts have nothing to with my defense of her here . I myself have been harsh on her . But only for this she has done.

[Catholic_Lady]

No need to go there.  it is a valid concern to want to avoid coercion where possible.  She feels as strongly about abortion as we do the need to vaccinate without getting shrill about it.

And what she's doing is using the long time catholic oppositional tactic of "just asking questions" to try and discredit vaccines. C_L is not all sweetness and light as she would have you believe. Look up her posting history, her kudosing history &c and you'll find that she's in ordinately fond of the more extreme end of christian theology.

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Tazz too far

Why? She's hardline catholic, showing a consistent defence of the horros the catholic church has perpetrated and denigration of those who would bring those horrors into the light.

She doesn't get a pass from me because she's got a good looking woman as her avatar and rarely posts something funny about herself.

Not everything is about/related to religion, and why would I want to discredit vaccines? Lol I am by no means anti vax.

I just believe in trying to find middle grounds when possible and in being slow to judge/vilinize groups of people. That's my usual approach to most conflict in general.

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No need to go there. it is a valid concern to want to avoid coercion where possible. She feels as strongly about abortion as we do the need to vaccinate without getting shrill about it.

Exactly. I see abortion as straight up child murder, and my feelings about it are very strong and even personal. But I don't vilinize people who are for it because I understand that they see things differently and are not bad people with malicious intentions, as strongly as I disagree with them.

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I also find it amusing that Taz says I don't post funny things about myself when I have literally posted a picture of my turd on the forums before. You missed a gold mine, my friend.

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"Human papillomavirus can be transmitted non-sexually. According to Health News, HPV can't be killed by disinfectants, so there is a risk of being infected by a medical instrument or tool that harbors the virus. Also, a pregnant woman is able to transmit the virus to her unborn baby."

You need to make it clear you were quoting the article and not your opinion.

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That's a bit of a loaded comment.   

It seems extreme to say that parents who don't vaccinate their kids should be criminally punished with child neglect charges. For one, they think they are keeping their kids safe by not vaccinating them. If there is family history of autoimmune disorders, other immune issues, methylation issues, or if they've had a bad experience with vaccines in the past, then I can see why a parent may be hesitant. I don't agree with it, but I don't agree with all this over blown hatred towards these people either. This whole ordeal about villainizing people who are not on "our" side of an argument is where my pushback is coming from here.

My observations over the last few months are that you seldom, if ever, take a stand on any issue. Middle of the road opinions on anything and everything. You just ask questions. You're good at it mind you.

I clearly said that I disagree with the anti vaccine choices and that I plan on vaccinating my own kids. Im not sure what you mean about me not having taken a stance.

[Whateverist]

No need to go there.  it is a valid concern to want to avoid coercion where possible.  She feels as strongly about abortion as we do the need to vaccinate without getting shrill about it.

And what she's doing is using the long time catholic oppositional tactic of "just asking questions" to try and discredit vaccines. C_L is not all sweetness and light as she would have you believe.

But who among us is all sweetness and light. For that matter why should that be expected of anyone? I don't think you make any such claims for yourself and I know I don't. Maybe she'd be happier if she was a little less that way at times? Still her civility is uplifting and I like her.

Look up her posting history, her kudosing history &c and you'll find that she's in ordinately fond of the more extreme end of christian theology.

That isn't a problem for me if true and of too little consequence to me to bother checking. But if you're willing I'd like to hear why it matters to you.

[Rev. Rye]

Not everything is about/related to religion, and why would I want to discredit vaccines? Lol I am by no means anti vax.

I just believe in trying to find middle grounds when possible and in being slow to judge/vilinize groups of people. That's my usual approach to most conflict in general.

Maybe a strictly nonjudgmental approach might not be the best way to take a subject like this. Like, if one of your friends says she does not intend to vaccinate her kids, try to ask her about her reasons for it, whether they're because of honest medical reasons or if they've fallen victim to fearmongers. I might try and educate them about it, and possibly completely lose my shit if they say something like "if it's a choice between autism and polio, I'm picking polio," for reasons that I suspect you should remember. But I think that for you, it might work better to say "Hmm. I've heard about it, I've looked it up, and I'm not really sure that's a good idea." That might be a better middle ground to take.

[Catholic_Lady]

Not everything is about/related to religion, and why would I want to discredit vaccines? Lol I am by no means anti vax.

I just believe in trying to find middle grounds when possible and in being slow to judge/vilinize groups of people. That's my usual approach to most conflict in general.

Maybe a strictly nonjudgmental approach might not be the best way to take a subject like this. Like, if one of your friends says she does not intend to vaccinate her kids, try to ask her about her reasons for it, whether they're because of honest medical reasons or if they've fallen victim to fearmongers. I might try and educate them about it, and possibly completely lose my shit if they say something like "if it's a choice between autism and polio, I'm picking polio," for reasons that I suspect you should remember. But I think that for you, it might work better to say "Hmm. I've heard about it, I've looked it up, and I'm not really sure that's a good idea." That might be a better middle ground to take.

I was referring to finding a middle ground legally, as far as the law is concerned.