Evolution

[Little Rik]

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[GrandizerII]

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We got that the first time. Not sure why you had to repeat this again. You think Homeless_Nutter or anyone here would give a shit if you put them on your ignore list?

[Whateverist]

Your attempt at mind reading is impressive -- impressively funny.  My aim was plainly stated, and that was what reason you had for believing your theory is correct.  Your attempt to make this about me is just your usual shenanigans.  You claimed that "vibrations" are alive.  If you don't have good reasons for believing that, then your belief that vibrations imply consciousness is just dogma.  Assuming you are a typical proponent of yoga, it stands to reason that yoga as a whole is based primarily on dogma, as this belief about vibrations seems fundamental to your entire description of "how the system works."

You suggest that these vibrations are like little children.  Besides noting that this is merely an unsupported assertion, the fact is that we know that little children are conscious and needing of guidance, so your likening them to little children is nothing more than begging the question.  You need to show good reason for believing they are like little children, i.e. conscious, before you can draw conclusions based upon such a supposed similarity.  

The rest here is more bare assertions.  I know that you believe that matter is conscious.  The question was whether you have good reasons for believing this, or is it just dogma.  So far you haven't provided any reasons.



Science has indeed yet to determine the true nature of these vibrations.  Again, the question wasn't about why science or myself believe what they do, but rather why you believe what you do.  You say that you have no doubt that a vehicle needs a driver, implying that theses vibrations need a mind or consciousness behind them, and that you are certain of it.  The question is what you rest your certainty on.  Do you have good reasons and evidence for your belief that these vibrations are like said vehicle in also needing a driver, or is it instead simply something you believe simply because it's what you've been told to believe, i.e. dogma?

Why do you believe that these vibrations are like a vehicle, in needing a driver or a mind behind them?



I am not concerned with religion per se, here, rather with the idea that a supernatural being who is independent of the universe is controlling the behavior of matter, and that is the will of this external god that is causing these vibrations to vibrate as they do.  This is a different theory than your own, as it doesn't require that the things vibrating be possessed of any consciousness.  I bring it up because I see no clear way to distinguish between your theory, and that theory, based solely from evidence about the vibrations themselves.

The rest of this reply is nothing more than more bare assertions like above.  I understand that you believe vibrations and lower life forms are such and so, etcetera, etcetera -- what I'm asking is your reasons and evidence for believing these things.  So far all you've done is regurgitate dogma.  If it's just dogma, then I suggest you own it and just admit as much.  Otherwise you need to demonstrate that you have good reasons and evidence for believing these things.  

So again, what are your reasons and evidence for believing that vibrations are alive?



I'm coming to the conclusion that you don't even know what entropy is.  Motion, change, eating of food and digesting it -- all these are examples of processes involving changes in entropy.  Again with the analogies.  When you analogize that consciousness is like food in that it must be digested and expelled, then you are making an assertion.  I'm not interested in your unsupported assertions, as they don't provide any reason or evidence for what you believe.  Anyone can assert things without reason, and anyone can assert the exact opposite.  If there are no reasons or evidence attached to either assertion, then there is no rational justification for believing the one rather than the other.  It becomes mere dogma.  You've made a bunch of assertions without reasons or evidence supporting them.  Until you provide good reasons and evidence, you do not have rational justification for your belief, and so can be summarily dismissed.

Regardless, the point is, you haven't given reasons and evidence for your belief that the universe is a mental projection of God, so your counter-argument to the explanation that entropy drives the universe is a mere inconsequential fart.  You believe in your God.  Yahoo!  That's your dogma, that the universe is a mental projection of your god.  If you want it to be more than dogma, you have to supply compelling reasons and evidence for your belief.  Until you do, I'll just shrug my shoulders and dismiss your belief.

I suggest you just leave "entropy" alone.  You only make yourself look foolish when you talk about it.  Stick to the questions you have yet to answer:

1.  What evidence and reasons do you have for believing that "vibrations are alive", that matter is like a child, or a vehicle, or any of a billion other things you might assert that matter / vibrations are like, as they all are saying the same thing.  Simply repeating these assertions isn't providing evidence or reasons for why you feel vibrations are "like" this.  Until you do, your belief appears to be just dogma.  Why do you believe vibrations are alive?

2.  Why do you believe that the universe is a mental projection of your god?  



As noted above, saying that vibrations are like little children is just begging the question.  It's merely an assertion in disguise.  Saying that vibrations are like such and so is not the same as providing reasons and evidence for believing the two are alike.  I'm interested in your reasons, not bare assertions.


"It's obvious!"  The last defense of dogma.  You know what I hear when someone like you says that something is obvious?  I hear that you are admitting that you don't have good reasons for believing what you do.  This is lame.  

If you don't have reasons and evidence for saying that vibrations are alive, and your only defense is the absurd claim that it's "obvious," then the thing which is truly obvious is that your belief is dogma, and your ideas about how the system works rest on a foundation of dogma.  If the only basis of your beliefs are that they are "obvious" to you, then you have no basis for your beliefs.  Yoga then is nothing more than a bunch of religious dogma kept alive by believing idiots like you.

So I'll ask you again, since you've yet to really answer the question -- what evidence and reasons do you have for believing that vibrations are alive?

For Santa's sake can't you go in your search engine and find that out for yourself?
By the way who said that science is still unaware of vibrations?

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=vibra...8AePvIugCw


https://www.google.com.au/search?q=vibra...8AeBqpaQCw

It's the giant sand snakes which make those vibrations.

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"Earth" is a materialist dogma, there's only karma..and karma means that we deserve whatever we happen to get...like kudos.

Didn't think of that, did you?  Fool.

Oh, i see.

So you reckon that when an atheist give a kudos to an other atheist there has got to be a real value in the judgement.  

Gee, I never thought about that Khem.  

Silly me.
I thought that an independent referee was the best person to judge and all the rest equal to farts.
I always learn something Khem.  

I too prefer to get my kudos from complete and utter fools.  It would mean the world to me, Rik, if only I had your precious kudo.  But of course I would first have to guess the answers to your weird questions, and no right thinking person can hope to do that.

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And LR has never been banned for being the obvious troll that he is because...why, again?

Pretty sure it's because he does his hilarious act for free.

[robvalue]

I'd guess it's because he more-or-less keeps it in his own threads and doesn't create loads of them.

[Angrboda]

I say.........dead things can not bring any life only something alive can create life therefore considering that all life in this universe is alive and made of vibrations that clearly means that life in this universe come from something alive therefore vibrations are alive.

Nobody gives a shit what you "say" if it's just a bare assertion.  How would you know what a dead thing can or cannot do, since according to you, there are no dead things? You can't draw conclusions about something you claim doesn't exist.  That's the fallacy of the stolen concept, and that invalidates your entire argument.  You're just arguing in a circle, like always.  No, I can't prove that life came from non-life, but you can't prove that it didn't.  Which leaves you high and dry without an argument, as your claim that "dead things can not bring any life" is just an unsupported assertion.  I can reject those all day with impunity.  That's all you ever bring.

Her counterpoint again.........but you haven't proved that vibrations are alive...

Which is all that needs to be said if it's true.  That you don't think it's true is obvious, but since you never bother to respond to the counter-arguments, what else can we assume?  Regardless, I haven't responded as you claim, as each time I've given specific logical reasons for rejecting your arguments.  

This VL is what is going on every single time with yog.
Her counterpoints are all full of ego.  

Counterpoints which you never bother to answer.  I've given specific reasons for my dismissal of all your arguments.  I haven't simply said "but you haven't proved that vibrations are alive," which makes you nothing but a liar.  I proved that the last time you claimed that I was just dismissing your arguments out of hand (HERE).  You're a terrible liar, Rik, especially because everybody can see the evidence that I didn't do as you claim.

[Amarok]

Still waiting on that evidence that vibrations are living thing . And yup he has zero evidence that life as a fact must come from life in an originating sense .

[Little Rik]

I say.........dead things can not bring any life only something alive can create life therefore considering that all life in this universe is alive and made of vibrations that clearly means that life in this universe come from something alive therefore vibrations are alive.

Nobody gives a shit what you "say" if it's just a bare assertion.  How would you know what a dead thing can or cannot do, since according to you, there are no dead things?  You can't draw conclusions about something you claim doesn't exist.  That's the fallacy of the stolen concept, and that invalidates your entire argument.  You're just arguing in a circle, like always.  No, I can't prove that life came from non-life, but you can't prove that it didn't.  Which leaves you high and dry without an argument, as your claim that "dead things can not bring any life" is just an unsupported assertion.  I can reject those all day with impunity.  That's all you ever bring.

Her counterpoint again.........but you haven't proved that vibrations are alive...

Which is all that needs to be said if it's true.  That you don't think it's true is obvious, but since you never bother to respond to the counter-arguments, what else can we assume?  Regardless, I haven't responded as you claim, as each time I've given specific logical reasons for rejecting your arguments.  

This VL is what is going on every single time with yog.
Her counterpoints are all full of ego.  

Counterpoints which you never bother to answer.  I've given specific reasons for my dismissal of all your arguments.  I haven't simply said "but you haven't proved that vibrations are alive," which makes you nothing but a liar.  I proved that the last time you claimed that I was just dismissing your arguments out of hand (HERE). You're a terrible liar, Rik, especially because everybody can see the evidence that I didn't do as you claim.

Since when you............have given specific logical reasons for rejecting my arguments?
That is a load o'crap yog.

All you keep on doing is...........asking to give evidence about something that nobody bother to find any evidence on the ground that doesn't make any sense such as thinking that a body (dead body) is able to create a new life within that parameter of consciousness.
Of course a dead person is still full of energy that will never get lost but a body void of consciousness can only give energy to worms and that form of energy carry the consciousness that match worms consciousness.

Your knowledge about consciousness is next to zero.
High consciousness can not possibly enter low form of life and low consciousness is unable to enter high form of life such as human life.
Everything goes and fit in the proper puzzle.

Since energy-consciousness is abstract in nature it will live so to speak in a vibration form until a proper medium is found in which this energy-consciousness will live.

Einstein and other scientists already established that all life in the universe is made of vibrations as I already showed to you in a previous link.
I found very very hypocritical to see that atheists in general say all the time that they believe in science but when this very science contradict them they start playing dirty and refuse to accept the verdict.

You are the perfect example of such hypocritical mentality.
Shame on you.  

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Still waiting on that evidence that vibrations are living thing . And yup he has zero evidence that life as a fact must come from life in an originating sense.

Wrong again Mr. FOOL.

Einstein and other scientists already established that all life is made of vibrations and only something alive is able to give life.
Fail again son.

By the way I am still waiting for your claim that you know what the true nature of life is.
How long shell I wait for your explanation?  

[Angrboda]

I say.........dead things can not bring any life only something alive can create life therefore considering that all life in this universe is alive and made of vibrations that clearly means that life in this universe come from something alive therefore vibrations are alive.

Nobody gives a shit what you "say" if it's just a bare assertion.  How would you know what a dead thing can or cannot do, since according to you, there are no dead things?  You can't draw conclusions about something you claim doesn't exist.  That's the fallacy of the stolen concept, and that invalidates your entire argument.  You're just arguing in a circle, like always.  No, I can't prove that life came from non-life, but you can't prove that it didn't.  Which leaves you high and dry without an argument, as your claim that "dead things can not bring any life" is just an unsupported assertion.  I can reject those all day with impunity.  That's all you ever bring.

Her counterpoint again.........but you haven't proved that vibrations are alive...

Which is all that needs to be said if it's true.  That you don't think it's true is obvious, but since you never bother to respond to the counter-arguments, what else can we assume?  Regardless, I haven't responded as you claim, as each time I've given specific logical reasons for rejecting your arguments.

 

This VL is what is going on every single time with yog.
Her counterpoints are all full of ego.  

Counterpoints which you never bother to answer.  I've given specific reasons for my dismissal of all your arguments.  I haven't simply said "but you haven't proved that vibrations are alive," which makes you nothing but a liar.  I proved that the last time you claimed that I was just dismissing your arguments out of hand (HERE). You're a terrible liar, Rik, especially because everybody can see the evidence that I didn't do as you claim.

Since when you............have given specific logical reasons for rejecting my arguments?
That is a load o'crap yog.

I just did, in the very post you quoted, you lying sack of shit!

Jesus Christ!  Could you be any more obvious with your lying?!?



Show me one post where I responded to your arguments without providing logical reasons -- just one, motherfucker!

All you keep on doing is...........asking to give evidence about something that nobody bother to find any evidence on the ground that doesn't make any sense such as thinking that a body (dead body) is able to create a new life within that parameter of consciousness.

Yeah, I can't parse your English here.  Try restating it using shorter sentences.  I can't make heads or tails of this.

Of course a dead person is still full of energy that will never get lost but a body void of consciousness can only give energy to worms and that form of energy carry the consciousness that match worms consciousness.

Unless I've misunderstood you, there is no such thing as a body devoid of consciousness, as a body is made up of matter whose vibrations are themselves conscious.  Perhaps you simply haven't explained yourself well enough, but under your view that "vibrations are alive" and that “Everything in Life is Vibration” (Einstein), apparently everything, including so-called "dead matter" is conscious.  If I've misunderstood you then clarify your position.  If there indeed is matter/vibrations that aren't conscious, then how do you tell which matter is conscious and which isn't?

Your knowledge about consciousness is next to zero.

Seeing as your last two posts have been filled with lies about me, I'm not inclined to grant you any credibility here.

High consciousness can not possibly enter low form of life and low consciousness is unable to enter high form of life such as human life.
Everything goes and fit in the proper puzzle.

Since energy-consciousness is abstract in nature it will live so to speak in a vibration form until a proper medium is found in which this energy-consciousness will live.

Are you trying to say that some things are alive and some things are not?  From what I recall, you have said that all things are made of vibrations and all vibrations are alive?  I don't see how there can be dead things if those two things are true.  If you haven't claimed that, then please clarify what in nature is or isn't a conscious/alive vibration.  I'll hold off on counter-arguments until you clarify what you mean.

Einstein and other scientists already established that all life in the universe is made of vibrations as I already showed to you in a previous link.
I found very very hypocritical to see that atheists in general say all the time that they believe in science but when this very science contradict them they start playing dirty and refuse to accept the verdict.

You are the perfect example of such hypocritical mentality.
Shame on you.  

More lies!  Show me one post where I contradicted science or shove it.  Your claim of hypocrisy is just another lie.

But while we're on the subject of hypocrisy, I haven't done things like post a google search instead of answering arguments, or claimed that something is as "obvious" as water is wet, or dismissed my arguments out of hand by claiming that I was just being dismissive or that I had not provided logical reasons in my counter-arguments.  That's you who did all those things.  So, in addition to being a lying cunt, you're being a total hypocrite.

[Amarok]

Wrong again Mr. FOOL.

Nope Mr. FOOL RIK

Einstein and other scientists already established that all life is made of vibrations and only something alive is able to give life.
Fail again son.

No you didn't you just slapped their names to your crack pottery 

By the way I am still waiting for your claim that you know what the true nature of life is.

And more insane babbling .

How long shell I wait for your explanation?  

After you learn to ask a question properly. And your statements make sense .

[DLJ]

And LR has never been banned for being the obvious troll that he is because...why, again?

Entertainment value?

The main reason I come here to AF is to see what might be heading our way over on the sister forum so that we don't get too many painful surprises.

But I confess to a guilty secret... I do enjoy watching Mr Rik de-toying his pram when people point out his childishness.

Keep him. He's fun.