How about this..

[Anomalocaris]

Absolutely no one has said that the second law of thermodynamics does not apply to your proposed machine.

On the contrary, people have said that your machine is not a perpetual motion machine precisely because the second law of thermodynamics applies to it.

As it does to absolutely everything else ever known about.

This has been repeatedly explained to you but for some reason you are not capable of understanding this.

What has been explained is what I revealed my self in the "So what happened" thread post number 207.

Because the second law does not apply EG I am not breaking the second law then all arguments or understanding you have to bring the 2nd law up are moot!/over/non existent!!! Do you understand you can not argue I am not breaking the law if I myself do not say that I am!! (which is what you are trying to do to save face)

Yes yes i get what you are saying people are telling me it is not perpetual motion because I'm not breaking the second law... the problem you can not explain how. not once ever in one of your post have you been able to explain this. Why? because no matter how many times I explain it you do not understand to correlation between the second law and what my machine does use to perpetuate motion. that is how and why I can point to your argument and tell you and everyone else you do not know what you are talking about that you read a wiki page that told you PMM's can not exist other wise the would break the second law.. that is all you been harping on this whole time. you think that has saved you when in fact it condemns you further.

 what's worse.. I bet you don't understand why a pmm can not exist, otherwise this conversation would be pointed at what does indeed perpetuates motion indefinitely in this machine and that is FUEL!!! Once you say fuel the argument is over. yet you are still not smart enough to point this out no matter how many times i point to the literal definition and tell you why my pmm does not work as a pmm! 

so yeah you and desees keep harping the 2nd law, as this will be your proof that I am the dummy here and you where right all along.

Can a better reason be conceived for why this moron is a trump voter?

[Deesse23]

 what's worse.. I bet you don't understand why a pmm can not exist, otherwise this conversation would be pointed at what does indeed perpetuates motion indefinitely in this machine and that is FUEL!!! Once you say fuel the argument is over. yet you are still not smart enough to point this out no matter how many times i point to the literal definition and tell you why my pmm does not work as a pmm! 

https://atheistforums.org/thread-59309-p...pid1921307

Am i wrong or did this idiot just really claim he has found a perpetual motion machine, and it is geothermal activity fueled by decay of radioactive material below the surface of this planet?

and no, the fuel does not last eternally either, so its not a perpetual running machine either way, being fueled or not. 

You are so confused, you do not only not understand what everybody else is saying, you dont understand what you are saying yourself, thats why you are constantly contradicting even yourself, which makes you a poster child of being an incoherently mumbling (village) idiot.

We have two threads now with you alternatively claiming you have a perpetual motion machine or you claiming your have made up one we wouldnt figure why it wouldnt work as such. We also have you alternatively claiming that your machine is perpetually moving or alternatively not.

We also have you claiming (and that was the ab-so-fucking-lutely most hilarious one) that you have a perpetual motion machine, because due to wear and tear it will stop before its fuel runs out.  
https://atheistforums.org/thread-59309-p...pid1921349

You are fucking all over the place, and making shit up as you go along, from post #1, page #1, because you dont have a fucking clue what you are talking about, and dont posess the integrity to admit to your ignorance. As long as thats the case, you wont be able/willing to learn and be stuck in stupid.....perpetually.

[Anomalocaris]

Drich, if we hook your asshole to a methane powered engine, your never ending farts would no doubt continue to provide endless fuel until long after all the radioactive isotopes in the core is used up, but that still doesn't make the engine a perpetual motion machine.   Words have standard definitions for common understanding by all educated people, and you are too ignorant to know them, so don't think you can be clever and slippery by pretending they mean what you want them to mean before people who knows what they actually mean


Be humble, given who you are and what you don't know, there can be no other possible suitable attitude for you to adopt before anyone.

[Fireball]

Drich, if we hook your asshole to a methane powered engine, your never ending farts would no doubt continue to provide endless fuel until long after all the radioactive isotopes in the core is used up, but that still doesn't make the engine a perpetual motion machine.   Words have standard definitions for common understanding by all educated people, and you are too ignorant to know them, so don't think you can be clever and slippery by pretending they mean what you want them to mean before people who knows what they actually mean


Be humble, given who you are and what you don't know, there can be no other possible suitable attitude for you to adopt before anyone.

I'll take abject groveling for $1k, Anom. Even then he wouldn't be out of the woods.

[arewethereyet]

Okay, I have thought about the truce offer.

It's a no for me.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I have another offer, Drich.  You've made a little over 12 400 posts here.  If you can do 10% of that going forward (124 posts) without insulting someone else's intelligence, I'll play along - conditionally - with your truce.

Boru

[Deesse23]

I have another offer, Drich.  You've made a little over 12 400 posts here.  If you can do 10% of that going forward (124 posts) without insulting someone else's intelligence, I'll play along - conditionally - with your truce.

Boru

I am on board if he additionally manages to stay coherent within the next 124 posts.

[Anomalocaris]

I have another offer, Drich.  You've made a little over 12 400 posts here.  If you can do 10% of that going forward (124 posts) without insulting someone else's intelligence, I'll play along - conditionally - with your truce.

Boru

If it is within his intellectual capacity to say anything that wouldn’t be an insult to the intelligence of his audience, he has done a divinely inspired job of hiding the evidence.

[Drich]

Yes yes i get what you are saying people are telling me it is not perpetual motion because I'm not breaking the second law... the problem you can not explain how. not once ever in one of your post have you been able to explain this. Why?

Because we're trying to avoid confusing you. Besides, it has been pointed out to you.

Why perpetual motion is impossible?
The reason why perpetual motion machines are impossible is because friction and other forces always manage to sap energy. You can make as close to a friction-free pendulum as possible, but it’s still a nearly zero-sum equation, with some minuscule amount of energy loss.

https://www.livescience.com/55944-perpet...hines.html

Basically the second law says that entropy will always increase over time. This means that a system cannot be perpetual because nothing lasts forever.

To use a simplistic analogy. Think of a ball on top of a hill. It can roll down to the bottom of the hill but can't roll back up it, at least not to the same height as before. Eventually the ball will settle into the most stable state it can where there is nowhere further to roll down, and by doing so global entropy will be increased.

The hill is a thermodynamic gradient.

Fuel is shorthand to describe a thermodynamic gradient that can be exploited to perform work.

Because of the second law of Thermodynamics, the thermodynamic gradient will be reduced over time and global entropy will be increased.

Which again I pointed out in post 197 when I said:

To be a true perpetual motion machine it can not have a fuel source. You f-ing dim wits where muddling around it when you where harping on about the second law of thermal dynamics.. which is why i wanted you to explain what that law was because if you had you would have identified the earths heat as a outside power source which does not fit the definition of a perpetual motion machine.

I left myself wide open for what? 3 or 4 days now with a legit way to shut Me up topically, and not one of you where smart enough to find and use that option... rather I want each of you to look at the bull shit you posted and be ashamed of yourself for calling anyone stupid if you yourself did not find this key.

Shame on you for using closed minded tactics of trying to ad hoc kill the messenger rather than scientifically address the content of the message.

Nice of you to FINALLY catch up. You are not all of the way there yet but if you keep reading I ask before you explain the second law first define entropy.. why because again the off set of entropy is fuel. if you had this definition of the second law and knew really understood entropy, and knew the off set was fuel then the 2nd law becomes moot point and your attack/diagnosis of my machine turn to the fact that it uses fuel which does not comply with the definition of a PMM.

any one with a pulse who understands this would not even need to mention the 2nd law of TD because entropy is being compensated for by the addition of an external power source eg fuel. So again it is stupid to reference the 2nd law AT ALL if you had any understanding of this... let alone do so for 10 days while I am screaming fuel disqualifies the machine, at you.

This is proof positive you were completely oblivious to a topic I make a living on. and despite my personal knowledge and ALL of the points of reference I posted you obstinately held your position and argued against known science and technology simply because I sourced the material. With nothing but faith in yourself and faith that you are smarter than me to hold on to. this is the only way you could tell yourself it is ok to ignore the dozen or so points of reference I provided... Not only that it was faith in your own ego that kept you from accepting my own analysis of my own machine and why it failed as a PMM.
here we are 10 days later and you are just now beginning to understand because i had to beat it out of you. doing so with documented science and technology that you thought you were using to teach me something... Too bad for you these posts are recorded and locked in over time. otherwise you would undoubtly go back to where you thought you had a foot hold in the conversation and reargue a different point. (If you are looking for that point it was 10 days ago before post 197) and yet you were still arguing the 2nd law.

Can you see my frustration by being belittle by someone who is almost two weeks behind me in her ability to reason? that her deficiencies and ignorance is attributed to me when ever she gets an opportunity to do so?

Again i do this not to personally humiliate you albeit there should be at least a little shame if you ever shamed a christian for having faith and ignoring facts and science, as you have been doing. I'm doing this to show all of you because all of you fell into this same pit of ignoring fact for personal belief, and abandoning logic science and the search for truth for an opportunity to attack me personally and ignore the message or anything I said. I wanted to demonstrate that the christians you people ran off for the reason stated did leave because this is a problem here on this site. and more will continue to do so till it is just a bitter pool of god hating misotheists patting each other on the back for out hating the other.

[I_am_not_mafia]

What exactly do you mean by catch up? Why assume that no one knew about this until now?

You're just blathering now, back-peddling and trying to hide your ignorance by nit-picking definitions like a typical Xtian.

As I have repeatedly said throughout your multiple threads, we've been deliberately trying to keep it simple because none of us have any confidence in your ability to understand this.

Not because it's difficult but because of your arrogance and inability to admit when you're wrong.