[Serious] Giordano Bruno

[TimOneill]

*weird immature prancing mercifully deleted*

Your latest failure to substantiate your childish slur is noted. Try again. Where is this supposed "fact" somehow "documented"? Try answering this time.

[Belacqua]

And you also said 'other times, other customs', which is nothing more or less than an attempted exoneration of reprehensible behavior.  The Church could have imprisoned Bruno.  They could have forbidden the publication of any of his writings on pain of excommunication (which still carried some weight). They could have banned him from Italy.  They could have banished him from Europe altogether.  But they chose to set him on fire.  And your excuse for them doing so was that Bruno was a very naughty boy.

Boru

No, it is not "nothing more or less than an attempted exoneration." 

It is an acknowledgment that people in the bad old days used harsher punishments than we do now. I do not approve of them. 

I agree that all of the other punishments you list would have been better. 

Please do not put words in my mouth. I am not excusing burning as punishment.

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What's asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. 

By all means dismiss my facts .But unfortunately that doesn't change reality  

So everything you've written here means nothing.

Too you i imagine it wouldn't . But unfortunately that doesn't change reality  

Provide citations for you claims or go away, please.

To whom am i doing this for ? You ? Tim? Who am i trying to convince ?


And your request is denied .Now about that cream 

That's fine.

I didn't expect you would be able to offer evidence or logical argument. 

You use unsupported assertion and personal insult. That's the kind of person you are.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Your latest failure to substantiate your childish slur is noted. Try again. Where is this supposed "fact" somehow "documented"? Try answering this time.

That's certainly an opinion a very wrong opinion but what can you do .I don't need to try Tim it's already done . Again Tim your asking me to prove to you a hack and a liar .That you are a hack and a liar ......seems legit 

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And you also said 'other times, other customs', which is nothing more or less than an attempted exoneration of reprehensible behavior.  The Church could have imprisoned Bruno.  They could have forbidden the publication of any of his writings on pain of excommunication (which still carried some weight). They could have banned him from Italy.  They could have banished him from Europe altogether.  But they chose to set him on fire.  And your excuse for them doing so was that Bruno was a very naughty boy.

Boru

No, it is not "nothing more or less than an attempted exoneration." 

It is an acknowledgment that people in the bad old days used harsher punishments than we do now. I do not approve of them. 

I agree that all of the other punishments you list would have been better. 

Please do not put words in my mouth. I am not excusing burning as punishment.

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By all means dismiss my facts .But unfortunately that doesn't change reality  


Too you i imagine it wouldn't . But unfortunately that doesn't change reality  


To whom am i doing this for ? You ? Tim? Who am i trying to convince ?


And your request is denied .Now about that cream 

That's fine.

I didn't expect you would be able to offer evidence or logical argument. 

You use unsupported assertion and personal insult. That's the kind of person you are.

Yes it is fine 

To who you ?

Nah i state facts and tell i like it is .That's the kind of person i am and Tim's not

Now about that cream

[TimOneill]

Your latest failure to substantiate your childish slur is noted. Try again. Where is this supposed "fact" somehow "documented"? Try answering this time.

That's certainly an opinion a very wrong opinion but what can you do .I don't need to try Tim it's already done . Again Tim your asking me to prove to you a hack and a liar .That you are a hack and a liar ......seems legit 

More childish gibberish. I'll give you a third and last chance - substantiate your claim or get reported as an abusive troll. "Documented" where? "Already done" where?

[The Architect Of Fate]

More childish gibberish. 

Again another bad take i'm afraid 

I'll give you a third and last chance 

How generous but my statement remains the same 

substantiate your claim or get reported as an abusive troll. 

Prove to a hack and liar that he's a hack and liar or get reported as a troll which i am not...Hmm  

"Documented" where? "Already done" where?

Show a hack and a lair where the proof he's a hack and a liar is .........Hmmm

[TimOneill]

*More childish trolling snipped*

Okay, you're obviously a stupid troll, so you've been reported and I'm putting you on "Ignore". But thanks for providing this week's example in a long succession of supposed "rationalists" who turn into weird screaming toddlers when their pseudo historical fairy tales are debunked. Goodbye.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Okay, you're obviously a stupid troll, 

Nope but i can see why you need to dismiss me as such 

so you've been reported and I'm putting you on "Ignore".

I can see why you would need too 

But thanks for providing this week's example in a long succession of supposed "rationalists" who turn into weird screaming toddlers when their pseudo historical fairy tales are debunked.

Too bad i didn't and you didn't 

 Goodbye.

Goodbye have fun continuing to lie .I know i wouldn't .

[chimp3]

"GIORDANO BRUNO" (1548 – 17 February 1600),

by Demetrios MANIOTIS (1923-1985)

[Belacqua]

"GIORDANO BRUNO" (1548 – 17 February 1600),
by Demetrios MANIOTIS (1923-1985)

Here's a recent picture of Julian Assange.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/f...xtradition

He has been held in solitary confinement and denied adequate medical care. 

In any age, it is dangerous to challenge the existing power structure.

Here's a photo of Martin Luther King's assassination:

https://www.biography.com/news/martin-lu...assination

When King began to protest effectively against the Vietnam War, LBJ withdrew his Secret Service protection, knowing full well it was an almost-certain death sentence.

In any age, it is dangerous to challenge the existing power structure.

Burning people is bad. Withholding adequate medical care is bad. Withdrawing necessary protection is bad.

[Belacqua]

Currently people are discussing me in the Shoutbox. There isn't room there for me to respond adequately.

Here is a recent post:

Bruno execution had everything to do with the church forcing its bullshit upon those who would rather not buy that particular bullshit, and you can count on belacque to quibble about that present it as if it something less than an indictment of the Christianity.

Obviously this is not standard English. As far as I can tell, the poster is saying that I am trying to quibble in order to make Bruno's execution "something less than an indictment of the Christianity."

I do not see Bruno's execution as an indictment of "the" Christianity. Because Christianity is a lot of things, and there is not just one thing that is "the" Christianity.

It is certainly an indictment of the Catholic Church at that time. They used force to silence someone who wanted to overthrow them and replace them with an equally wacko occult movement.

I have argued that the church took this action due to a challenge to its power. It had nothing to do with science. Bruno was not a scientist.

If Bruno were posting his ideas on this forum, the same people who are criticizing me would be insulting him. His ideas are as unbelievable as the very worst of Christianity. Somehow he has become a poster boy for New Atheists because, I guess, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I have only argued that people should not misrepresent the reasons behind his execution.

The "conflict theory," which says that religion is always opposed to science, is false. History shows that no such opposition is typical or consistent.

To be clear, let me repeat a number of things which I have said, which don't seem to be getting through:

~ The execution was bad.
~ It is bad to burn people.
~ Powerful institutions, when challenged, are likely to respond with violence.
~ Responding with violence is almost always bad.