Pax et bonum from Italy and Quelo

[Quelo]

Welcome.
Why do you feel the need to try to convert?
What if we belong to other religions, do you still think that we should convert to yours?
Also, do you really believe that the coronavirus is no natural and not manmade but made by a god to punish those that you god sees fit?
Interesting!

Yes, yes, yes.

Just the days I was back from my 'trip', I read (just once) the Gospel (last time I read it was when I was about 11 years old) and, at once, I was able to remember any sentence it have been written in that book. And few day afterward I begun to try to convert as many persons as possible. Your Italian Atheist Colleagues know me since 15 year ago (you can search on Google for: "Atei Italiani Forum", and they will confirm my dedication since then.

Somebody said that "just mads and kids can say the True". When talking to me, you will see I am the third one in the line.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

So, you've been trying to convert atheists for 15 years with admittedly poor results.  What makes you think you'll have better luck here?

Be aware that EVERY claim you're about to make and EVERY argument you're about to put forward has been heard and refuted.  Unless you've got something new to offer, I don't fancy your chances.

Boru

[LastPoet]

Holubice.... that rings a bell. As boru advised report outgoing...

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@Quelo did you really needed to make another account?

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I'm typing in different forums, so I may be late to respond you. .

Nice that you admit to being a spammer  up front.

Now, can I come to your home and teach evolution?

He has been here before, same avatar, same NDE bs, claims to be from Italy and he even bolded his previous account number, Holubice.

He is like the italian version of Drich. I reported him, so what needed to be done is done.

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https://atheistforums.org/user-1765.html

Sounds familiar?

[Succubus#2]

And few day afterward I begun to try to convert as many persons as possible. Your Italian Atheist Colleagues know me since 15 year ago (you can search on Google for: "Atei Italiani Forum", and they will confirm my dedication since then.

After fifteen years on the road you must have some sort of data base, a spreadsheet listing your successes. Can we see it please, and no personal testimony from various forums. Just the documented stuff.

eta, Ninja'd by the Boru.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Ok, I introduce myself without hiperlinks. I can live and  survive also without them...
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Good morning,

My name is Holubice, a middle aged man form Italy. Please excuse me for my next mistakes, here and forward, as English is not my mother tongue. I have never been a religious man, since I was about 10-11 years old, I have never been interested on Church, priests, Gospel, and whatever. I just didn't care at all, till I was 30 years old, as I had a N.D.E., eventually search in Google for...

"Near-death experience"

... to understand what I mean. This even has completely transformed my live, upside-down, since that day changed completely  my goals, my points of views and my beliefs. I have spent about 15 years to try to convert your colleagues (the Italians Atheist) with (honestly) poor results. 

I'm also sure that the present Pandemia have to be named into Plague, because:

• This virus does not kill babies
  
• This virus does not kill the poor Black Men in the poorest countries of Africa
  
• This virus does not kill the poor immigrants living in the richest West countries
  
• This virus is killing those countries that have been egoist and ruthless towards refugees
  
• Canada and United States have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths in Canada, why it is a hecatomb in USA?
  
• Germany and France have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths  in Germany, why it is a hecatomb in France?
  
• Sweden and Switzerland have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths in Sweden, why it is a hecatomb in Switzerland?
  

I know those explanations may disappoint some of you, but that it is. I'm typing in different forums, so I may be late to respond you. That's all for now.

It does kill babies though rare 
https://globalnews.ca/news/6766475/coron...-cases-us/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/m...th-of-baby

It does kill africans 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coron..._in_Africa

The rest of your argument is reductionist .Economics and social strength (ill defined) alone cannot account for this

[LastPoet]

@SUNGULA , @Succubus#2 If you guys notice, his only thread with the other account was that the end of the world was supposed to happen back in 2012. Just lookup the user Holubice and search his threads. A barrel of laughs from some time ago. I guess my memory isn't that bad after all.

[brewer]

Ok, I introduce myself without hiperlinks. I can live and  survive also without them...
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Good morning,

My name is Holubice, a middle aged man form Italy. Please excuse me for my next mistakes, here and forward, as English is not my mother tongue. I have never been a religious man, since I was about 10-11 years old, I have never been interested on Church, priests, Gospel, and whatever. I just didn't care at all, till I was 30 years old, as I had a N.D.E., eventually search in Google for...

"Near-death experience"

... to understand what I mean. This even has completely transformed my live, upside-down, since that day changed completely  my goals, my points of views and my beliefs. I have spent about 15 years to try to convert your colleagues (the Italians Atheist) with (honestly) poor results. 

I'm also sure that the present Pandemia have to be named into Plague, because:

• This virus does not kill babies
  
• This virus does not kill the poor Black Men in the poorest countries of Africa
  
• This virus does not kill the poor immigrants living in the richest West countries
  
• This virus is killing those countries that have been egoist and ruthless towards refugees
  
• Canada and United States have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths in Canada, why it is a hecatomb in USA?
  
• Germany and France have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths  in Germany, why it is a hecatomb in France?
  
• Sweden and Switzerland have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths in Sweden, why it is a hecatomb in Switzerland?
  

I know those explanations may disappoint some of you, but that it is. I'm typing in different forums, so I may be late to respond you. That's all for now.

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Hello and goodbye. Enjoy your delusional fantasy belief life. You do not have a clue.

[Quelo]

Okay, most of this is far outside the scope of an introduction thread.
I'll answer most of the points raised as best I can, since I'm really tired right now and need sleep.
Background:
I was raised Catholic and was extremely devout in my younger years (get 'em when they're young), until I started asking questions that no one wanted to try to answer directly, throwing in such words as "faith" and "believe".
I finally declared myself an atheist at the age of 13, much to the disgust of my still very Catholic mother and her family.

I'm not able to convert you. You will change your mind just if Somebody consider you worthy to be saved(1). You will see I have a great control of Bible, even if I have never studied it. Also priests and scholars are impressed when they are dealing with me. And, believe or not, I got such great control in just one night.

1)

43Jesus answered and said to them, “Stop murmuring* among yourselves.w 44No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day. 45It is written in the prophets:
‘They shall all be taught by God.’
Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me.x 46Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father.y 47Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

A number of years later I had a really bad motorcycle accident (not my fault) and while the ambulance crew was in attendance, my heart stopped for nearly two minutes.
No NDE, no pleasant (or unpleasant) visions of an afterlife, or family.  No heaven or hell.
Nothing.
Just darkness.
NDEs have a rational scientific explanation.  An interesting feature of the reported NDEs are that the people who "experience" them always see what they're culturally inducted to see, even the atheists.
This is why you never have a Muslim "seeing" the Christian heaven or a Christian experiencing the Hindu afterlife.

Somebody will see the Light.
Somebody will see the Darkness.

It's a good thing you have some time yet to be in first number. Don't waste it

Babies: citation needed.

Search on newspapers and statistics: not a baby has died for this virus

Africa:  It has killed people in Africa.  It has yet to reach many places in Africa because travel into Africa ( and South America) isn't on tge same level as we see in the industrialised countries.  Also, many countries went into lockdown before it could spread into parts of the world that are less travelled.

Chinese firms, and Chines staffs have invaded the African continent. The Black Men living there have got in touch with those workers, for sure,  but almost nobody has dead for the virus.  

Poor immigrants: citation needed.  I'm not going to accept a claim.

Have a look at newspapers and official statistic (of deaths)

Refugee claim:  If this was a punishment from a deity about the treatment of refugees, I wonder what kind of monster would target the elderly and vulnerable instead of the people who impliment said policies?  It seems such a being is cruel, vindictive, and not worthy of my attention, let alone my devotion.

Who voted for a Commander in chief who wants to build a "Great, tall, strong wall" to block poor people coming form south America?

Other claims: It comes down to the response of the countries.  Germany locked down fairly quickly.  America, frankly, is full of idiots who think about themselves and not others (look at the idiots who went on spring break or insist on having huge church gatherings anyway).

Sweden hasn't locked down almost nothing. But they record almost no deaths. Sweden, please note all of you, it's the country in the world who made the greatest effort (pro capita)  to accommodate refugees from all around the world. The same did your peaceful neighbor, Canada. Please have a search if I am true or I am wrong.  

NZ has had one death.  Is that because they're a good little country who have the favour of this particular being (except that one person, of course) or because of the response of the government and health sector?

Look at the recent history of New Zeland: they have not killed all the indigenous, and they have accommodate a lot of indigenous coming from little Pacific islands. Have a search. They have not made a genocide as in Australia, and they are not to bombing refugees ships as Australia does. Compare deaths in Australia an in NZ (pro capita, of course)  

Finally, if your simple goal is to come here and try to convert us to your religion, I advise giving it up right now.  We've heard all the arguments before.

There's no saint without a past, as there's no sinner without a future.

That's why He is a good Father, and that's why He is so merciful

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I'm typing in different forums, so I may be late to respond you. .

Nice that you admit to being a spammer up front.(1)
Now, can I come to your home and teach evolution?

I'm sure there is not time.

I follow the rules

1)

21*  Brother will hand over brother to death, and the father his child; children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. 22You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end* will be saved. 23When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

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So, you've been trying to convert atheists for 15 years with admittedly poor results.  What makes you think you'll have better luck here?
Be aware that EVERY claim you're about to make and EVERY argument you're about to put forward has been heard and refuted.  Unless you've got something new to offer, I don't fancy your chances.
Boru

The sicks needs a doctors. And I'm forced to trow some seeds also on the bramble.

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15While he was at table in his house,* many tax collectors and sinners sat with Jesus and his disciples; for there were many who followed him. 16* Some scribes who were Pharisees saw that he was eating with sinners and tax collectors and said to his disciples, “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?” 17Jesus heard this and said to them [that], “Those who are well do not need a physician,* but the sick do. I did not come to call the righteous but sinners.”

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1* On another occasiona he began to teach by the sea.* A very large crowd gathered around him so that he got into a boat on the sea and sat down. And the whole crowd was beside the sea on land.b 2And he taught them at length in parables, and in the course of his instruction he said to them, 3* “Hear this! A sower went out to sow. 4And as he sowed, some seed fell on the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Other seed fell on rocky ground where it had little soil. It sprang up at once because the soil was not deep. 6And when the sun rose, it was scorched and it withered for lack of roots. 7Some seed fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked it and it produced no grain. 8And some seed fell on rich soil and produced fruit. It came up and grew and yielded thirty, sixty, and a hundredfold.” 9He added, “Whoever has ears to hear ought to hear.”

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After fifteen years on the road you must have some sort of data base, a spreadsheet listing your successes. Can we see it please, and no personal testimony  from various forums. Just the documented stuff.
eta, Ninja'd by the Boru.

Do you mean a business plan? A lot of efforts, with almost no gain? Yes, you are right...

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13* “Enter through the narrow gate;* for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many.j 14How narrow the gate and constricted the road that leads to life. And those who find it are few.

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[Mr Greene]

Newborn babies with coronavirus


refugees and coronavirus

[Mr Greene]

Quelo wrote:

[b]Sweden hasn't locked down almost nothing. But they record almost no deaths. Sweden, please note all of you, it's the country in the world who made the greatest effort (pro capita)  to accommodate refugees from all around the world. The same did your peaceful neighbor, Canada. Please have a search if I am true or I am wrong.  

Sweden currently has 10,151 cases and 887 deaths.
Norway which was near identical to Sweden early on (actually somewhat ahead) now has 6,403 cases and 116 deaths having implemented lockdown and is one of the most successful European countries at combating the virus.

Norwegian & Swedish cases