The Holy War

[The Valkyrie]

Ah yes, that old "truth" again.
Matey, everything is true in our head. As it is in yours. Fair enough?

No it's "Truth" with a capital "t" because to the deluded think their delusions are facts and more important than anything else.

And Joho, the staff do not have to justify their decisions to you. And I'm not intending to get into a rule debate with an impertinent idiot.

You want to be a member here, obey the rules. If you don't want to obey the rules, feel free to troll elsewhere.

We've had plenty of idiots who have come here with your attitude in the past. They're no longer here.

[Johanabrahams]

Seems you are putting pressure on the mods to ban me for "trolling" with lies.  It is just my thread.  Does my presence in one thread disturb the whole forum?  Then of course i have to be who i said I am.  The Wife of God.  Only she can have that Presence!

If you don't like me or my thread give it to those that want to be present without complaining.  Be honest and find a thread without My Presence. 

If you want to write here then stick to the topic.  If you have nothing for the topic what are you actually doing here?

Just a few points:

-No one is ‘putting pressure on the mods’. 

-If they did, it wouldn’t work.

-The only one applying pressure to get you banned is...you.

-The fact that you started this thread is utterly irrelevant to whether or not you’re trolling.

Boru

Ok.  Noted.  You have your view on it and i have mine.  Everyone will decide for himself what is right for him/her and what not. 

So let us get back to the thread

Thanks.

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Seems you are putting pressure on the mods to ban me for "trolling" with lies.

I was giving you a honest advice and probably the friendliest advice you'll ever get. Why can't you see that? Do you have trust issues with people? Why do you see someone telling you to see a doctor as mean?
Why not go to a psychiatrist and tell him what you are telling us here? What do you have to lose? You don't have an aversion towards psychiatry like those Scientologists do?

The Wife of God.  Only she can have that Presence!

You see. You really are suffering. Come on, don't be a pussy, see that psychiatrist. Come on, buddy.

If you want to write here then stick to the topic.

What? This thread has a topic?

If you don't like me or my thread give it to those that want to be present without complaining.

That's just it. Nobody wants to participate in this thread because they are participating in your mental illness. It's unpleasant and awkward for everyone because they don't know how to talk to mentality ill person since they are not mental specialists.

Seems you are putting pressure on the mods to ban me for "trolling" with lies.

I was giving you a honest advice and probably the friendliest advice you'll ever get. Why can't you see that? Do you have trust issues with people? Why do you see someone telling you to see a doctor as mean?
Why not go to a psychiatrist and tell him what you are telling us here? What do you have to lose? You don't have an aversion towards psychiatry like those Scientologists do?

I have been asked twice to do that.  And I did it.  And I end up teaching them.  They don't like it and ask me to leave.  I don't think there is one that has it in him to interview me. Perhaps you have one.  Then we can do it just here.  No problem to me.  It is them that have the problem.  I did interview one on Distorted View. But unfortunately they are into such Distorted Views that they are embarahsed by themselves and are in hiding.  But of course we will ask @flakingnapstich who is a mod there to ask them if they can maybe have one channel for open public discussions for those that do not fear their own words and attitudes.  

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The Wife of God.  Only she can have that Presence!

You see. You really are suffering. Come on, don't be a pussy, see that psychiatrist. Come on, buddy.

I saw three already.  Including the one on Distorted View.  If you have one for me in the Light of God right here and not in "sacrosanct" because of them fearing me then go right ahead. 

You have to drop the "pussy" however.  When I acted on it in my previous post you ran to your mommy, your laws, to ban me.  So try to stick to the topic without "belittling me" because you can not handle the Fire of God coming back to you. 

Jeremiah 23
  Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

If you want to write here then stick to the topic.

What? This thread has a topic?

So what are you actually doing here when you are not interested in the topic?  Trolling me?  And then you loose and ran to your mommy laws?  Don't do that.  You already lost that one.  So stick to the topic.  If it is not one for you then just "move on".  Don't be selfish now and try to force another ban.  Think about those that are interested and reading here and maybe want to interact.  If there is none and the views are not going up then of course I will just "move on" myself.  

If you don't like me or my thread give it to those that want to be present without complaining.

That's just it. Nobody wants to participate in this thread because they are participating in your mental illness. It's unpleasant and awkward for everyone because they don't know how to talk to mentality ill person since they are not mental specialists.

I already spoke to you.  What are you doing here?  Trolling me?  You have nothing to say on the topic. And you are just attacking me.  And when I answer you, then you ran for help.  To your law mommy.  So just leave it to those that  are honestly interested. And "move on" to what your interest is. It is not me and neither this thread.  And those that are interested will be seen in the views that is climbing.   They don't need to speak on it.  When nobody is viewing anymore then I will of course just leave.  But many are watching and very interested in what is going on.

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Hot damn Jon!  5k casualties in this war, all at your own hand?  You must get up very early in the morning.

Yep.  It is.   5k casualties.  Daniel walked with me the streets and saw it.  And then of course there is Pastor Michael, with whom I had a business together with another Brother of us.  And then there is Billy who were just watching through the window of his house when I was sitting opposite the street at the entrance of the Filadelphia church and interacting with 400 members at the same time with the police watching because they were phoned. 

Now the question is this.  What was actually my means that i used.   And what are my means that I am still using.  Because i never deviated.   You have @Abaddon_ire and @flakingnapstich saying it was and still is "anger and a cudgel".  And then you have those watching from the outside that is ready to witness about it in The Light of God.  Meaning a recording you make of the conversation or the email.  Not a "sacrosanct" one of @Abaddon_ire.  God does not work "sacrosanct".  He works in His Light.  Right in the open.  Or "publicly". 

John 3 

 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 
 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

According to the Word of God those in "sacrosanct" actually is "evil" and don't want to come to The Light/public because they hate it for the fear of being "reproved". 

Now God is lying or He is speaking the Truth.  And we are into investigating now.  With many watching. 

But maybe you see that it was not in "getting up early"?

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God spoke to me.  He said a holy war is like a healthy heart attack.  He said foisting war on humanity would make him a doctor who prescribes cyanide.  He also said he's not real, just a voice in my head.  Only crazy people think He's real.  Then He said, most importantly, never click a dropbox link.

Your god said some wrong things.  Stay with us and you will see the Truth.  Because you have no evidence now on what "your god" said. But maybe you forgot to put the evidence. 

We can start on your evidence for "dropbox".

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I never get PMs, am I not special enough?

I didn't know you want one. 

Those Witnesses are Living in The Light of God.  They said I should put their tel. nr. right here.  But I know humans will complain.  They are "sacrosanct".  So you will get yours now.  Hope you make use of them.  And experience the Light of God.  Making a recording or a copy of the email with them knowing and give it to us. 

Just as you saw me doing.

[Johanabrahams]

Ah yes, that old "truth" again.
Matey, everything is true in our head. As it is in yours. Fair enough?

No it's "Truth" with a capital "t" because to the deluded think their delusions are facts and more important than anything else.

And Joho, the staff do not have to justify their decisions to you.  And I'm not intending to get into a rule debate with an impertinent idiot.

You want to be a member here, obey the rules.  If you don't want to obey the rules, feel free to troll elsewhere.

We've had plenty of idiots who have come here with your attitude in the past.  They're no longer here.

Ok.  No evidence then.  Noted.  Because it is not just me that are eagerly awaiting the evidence. 

I am just your excuse for sidestepping the issue. 

Other forums as already excluded me being a troll.  I gave you the link of the Skeptics and I gave you Distorted View that has no links because of being ashamed of their "Distortions".  And @flakingnapstich   have to speak now on this discussion where he admitted that I am no troll in a Right View for a change.  Together of course with the other members of Distorted View.  So they are rather laughing at your "Distorted View" of me being a troll that needs "banning" for what I am saying. 

You are now saying the Skeptic Society and Distorted View made a mistake.  Well you have to proof their mistake. Not just to me.  To them and your members.   If you can not then you are the one with the mistake of course.  As it is standing now.  So we will rather conclude that it is the "Fire of God.  

Jeremiah 23
  Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

Now let us get back "on topic".  No use calling me an "idiot".  Trolling me?  Because you already lost that one.  You had to run to mommy laws for help.  Try to stay on topic.  And if you can not then be unselfish and give those that are interested there chance to see where this leads too. 

And just watch.  Or do something "better".

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None of that made a lick of sense.

I know.  It is God's stuff.  But with examples and you really into the examples it might help.  In Robertson even the "clergy" are now struggling for 20 years to understand.  While they are experiencing it every day.

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None of that made a lick of sense.

And if it did are we supposed to give a shit?

Don't say "we".  Some may want too.  Say you.

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I usually attempt to somewhat understand theistic craziness, but I just cannot seem to wrap my mind around what he’s doing with this thread or on this forum.

See this.  I am trying my best.  With examples.  But do try and phone or email those people I gave you.  And experience the Light of God in being able to record the messages and post it right here.  And we can discuss them.  That will be a good start.

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Ah yes, that old "truth" again.
Matey, everything is true in our head. As it is in yours. Fair enough?

Nope.  Not this time.  Just one thing.  Enjoy what I am giving you.  Enjoy the Joyride.  And see my "head" I am sharing with you.  Even if it is "delusional". 

But now there are some more heads to examine.  Daniel and Billy and Michael. 

Enjoy!

Just remember to be in The Light of God. Bring those conversations here. On recording or on "paper". We want to enjoy them too. As they also want to see what we enjoy to add to our enjoyment. So unlike the "sacrosanct" of @Abaddon_ire

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I already did that in the first post.  And this Forum got so scared that they had to run to their authorities to help them out.  And the asked their laws to do that.  So you have to read over there now. 

As for this thread you have to be on topic.  As you are clearly off topic now. 

Thanks.

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When you attacked me personally in the first post you lost it.  You ran for help to your authorities the laws.  So this was settled there.  Now you have to stay on topic because nobody like my trolling.  But yours that is clearly seen here is overlooked.  So don't be "unfair" now.  Fighting me with "trolling" while I can not fight back with "trolling". 

You will have to stick to the topic now as asked by your bosses.  Because you can not handle my answer with God's Power in it. 

Jermiah23
  Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

Johan

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I agree.  I also asked for evidence.  God's Way.  Not the running way. 

Then we can all looked at it in see if @Abaddon_ire is again giving a wrong impression just to slander me.   Just put it in the Light of God. 

But of course @Abaddon_ire  might fear the "reproving". 

 John 3 

 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 
 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

So now that we see his spirit of running we have to see what @flakingnapstich  is going to do with the same numbers that I will give him in his PM.  Not because those numbers are "sacrosanct".  All of them said I can put it right here.  But because you Atheists being "ghosts" and they fear these kind of things.  So until the "mods" @LadyForCamus give me permission to do this i think I will have to do it the "sacrosanct" way.

I see nothing in the first post about what god sounded like, so try again. Does your god speak in a high pitch voice, or a low one, what accent does he have, was his voice loud or quiet. Give us some details not vague ramblings like a crazy person.

That does not mean it is not there.  So here you have another topic.  Try to stay on topic.

[The Valkyrie]

Interesting that other forums have you marked as a troll, and you've been warned as a troll here but you're not trolling.

See the common denominator here, joho? YOU.

And, as I've said, I do not need to justify how we enforce the rules here to you. Don't like it? Fuck off.

And finally no. "We" not "I".

[Johanabrahams]

John: You don't think I actually read your shit do you?

The only topic I'm willing to address with you is your delusional condition/thinking and the situation(s) it has gotten you into. Your delusions of grandeur, persecution and paranoia. There are probably more thought disorders going on but your mental disease won't allow you to recognize any of them. It's actually quite sad. You need to get some mental health treatment IRL, but I doubt you will until you're entangled in violence and the authorities get involved.

So, while you're here I'll just view you as a twisted form of entertainment. 

John: You don't think I actually read your shit do you?

This makes you of course totally wrong.  You should not be here in the first place.  Because participating in a thread mean that you have to follow it.  So do give us our space please.   Trolling me will not be effective.  That already fell in the first post where you all had to run for mommy laws. 

The only topic I'm willing to address with you is your delusional condition/thinking and the situation(s) it has gotten you into. Your delusions of grandeur, persecution and paranoia. There are probably more thought disorders going on but your mental disease won't allow you to recognize any of them. It's actually quite sad.

Yep.  It is only your "delusion".  So it does not mean a thing to me.  Except of course to show you your "delusion".  I agree.  "Delusion" is sad.  Even more to me because I am The Savior from them. 

Even giving you Daniel, Billy and Michael too.  

You need to get some mental health treatment IRL, but I doubt you will until you're entangled in violence and the authorities get involved.

I am not the one into "violence".  The opposite faction is into that. And when they use their "cudgels" on me "from their god" I stay with mine in Forgiving and then acting in God's Holy Spirit of Love.  So they keep on losing.  Now they are "sick to death".  As @Abaddon_ire witnessed.

So, while you're here I'll just view you as a twisted form of entertainment.

Hope you will stick to your conclusion to just view from now on.  My experience is that humans that lost the fight are stubbornly trying to hide it.  Keeping on trying to change the outcome. 

But it will be very wise of you to start "viewing" only now.  Or just "moving on".   To a "better thread".  But maybe there is none?

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I once briefly escaped from a mental institution. Pretty sure that qualifies me as a ‘specialist’.

Boru

Trolling will not work.  You all tried it in the previous post and had to run to mommy for help.  So try to stick to the topic here.  Or find one you can stick to if you can not stick to this one.  That will be the unselfish thing to do.  As it is now you are just stubbornly keeping on with your "trolling".  And if I do it then you ran for mommy because of God's "Fire". 

Jeremiah 23

 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

[Little lunch]

I work with schizophrenics.
Try an hour or two of that sort of talk.
It fucking does your head in after a while.
Because you can't help but try and make sense of it. :-)

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Yea, that message was for 'we' Johnno...not you. :-)

[Johanabrahams]

I never get PMs, am I not special enough?

Johan has a special place in his heart for me for some reason. LOL

Myself and HalleysComet both did actual research and got to the truth of the matter. He didn't much like that.

What really grinds his gears is that simple fact is sufficient that others will not vicariously continue his harassment of that town and it's denizens. Those wounds need not be re-opened again. But that is what he really wants, he is that sick.

There are a couple of community leaders I will give a heads up to, so they know Johan is on the prowl again. It is certain that this is not the only venue where Johan is playing fast and loose with others personal details and you know that some will research those details to ascertain the facts because it is their first encounter with this particular internet loon.

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If the PMs are getting that bad report them.

They are not "bad" as such, I am simply warning our resident clown that there is no chance I am doing anything with them. Been there, done that, bought the souvenir Zulu war club (it's called a "knobkerrie").

So far, he has provided me with three first names and phone numbers. They could be anyone. They could even be the same person for all I know. The international call charges would be through the roof. And what would I find afterward? Johan had convinced one or more to claim he was really "mother" in horribly broken english. Probably by promising free booze at his shebeen. That tells nobody anything.

Those I did actually contact way back were verifiable real people with real names, addresses, emails, phones, etc comfirmed independently from Johans nonsense. Up to and including his long suffering EX-WIFE. (Yeah, Johan, EX-WIFE). I drew a line there because that just would not be right.

Johan has a special place in his heart for me for some reason. LOL

You had the "guts" to really call.  But unfortunately you were caught in "backbiting".

Myself and HalleysComet both did actual research and got to the truth of the matter. He didn't much like that.

Actually I do like it.  It is giving Momentum.  

What really grinds his gears is that simple fact is sufficient that others will not vicariously continue his harassment of that town and it's denizens. Those wounds need not be re-opened again. But that is what he really wants, he is that sick.

You are lying now.  Daniel, Billy and Michael have no "wounds".  They are witnesses and was not present in the opposition.  And all of them changed and gave up their weak "corporal punishment" for God's "Fire".  Specially Daniel that was the gang leader of the most vicious gang in Worcester.  And he tried those methods on me too.  Broke only my finger because God was protecting me.

There are a couple of community leaders I will give a heads up to, so they know Johan is on the prowl again.

Good.  Tell them we have some witnesses, Daniel, Billy and Michael that said I am not fighting with anger and a "cudgel".  Ruling in fear.  And mentions the assault on me in Shoprite.  And ask about my "Fire" there and the Shout of War from God. 

Isaiah 42
 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

But the main thing to say is about my children "crying" and Eduard being part of that "crying" and we having to do something about their "crying".  This will be "official" this time because my Reverend of the Dutch Reformed Church will be part of that meeting.  So they should be there.  Hiding from that meeting will just prove their guilt.  "Fearing the reprove" from God. 

 John 3 

 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 
 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

And remember also to tell them that I always told you to get them to join the conversation.  But by your own decision you kept them from all that was said. With your excuse that it is "sacrosanct".

It is certain that this is not the only venue where Johan is playing fast and loose with others personal details and you know that some will research those details to ascertain the facts because it is their first encounter with this particular internet loon.

You mentioned your discussion with the pastors of the persecution. 

And in your "backbiting" you forgot the official document who entitled only one to speak.  I am sure all the others would have stayed with their decision that only one will do this.  And everyone else you contacted would just have referred you to their decision and that particular person.  And this is "official".  All know this.  You did too.  But as I told you your mind was under control of the "backbiting" evil spirit and you didn't think clearly.  As this document where that person is openly mentioned is right in the open.  For all to see. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i6k8g7i6ta1li3...1.pdf?dl=0

My daughter is crying!  Will you not do something for your children if it is in your Ability to do it when they are crying?

They were crying for help in their "corporal punishment".  When I was forced to distanciate from Love and Wisdom.  And accept their method of anger and punishment.  As you can clearly see also in the book of Anoeschka von Meck.  It is there for all to see.  The matrons were "bad tempered" and acted in that evil spirit.  And the principal was hars and unfair and acted in that evil spirit. 

And it all originated in the religions.  From "their god".  Just as apartheid originated there.  From "their god".  And they are trying to cover up.  That they preached these lies.  From "their god".

They are not "bad" as such, I am simply warning our resident clown that there is no chance I am doing anything with them. Been there, done that, bought the souvenir Zulu war club (it's called a "knobkerrie").

You see the lie here.  He "banned" me from PM.  While I did something Good.  Provided him with witnesses.  While he only contacted the one side of the Holy War.  But there are two sides.  And there are witnesses prepared to talk about it.  

So far, he has provided me with three first names and phone numbers. They could be anyone. They could even be the same person for all I know.

They are not "anyone".  They are Daniel that was with me in my actions, Billy that watched at the church and Pastor Michael with whom I was in a business.  

The international call charges would be through the roof.

This is valid.  But not an excuse anymore.  As Pastor Michael gave me his email.  Because you "blocked" me in fear because there was nothing "bad" I could not provide it to you.  But I did give it to others.  @flakingnapstich and @Eleven have it now because you are too scared for them.  

And what would I find afterward? Johan had convinced one or more to claim he was really "mother" in horribly broken english. Probably by promising free booze at his shebeen. That tells nobody anything.

You would have found The Light.  Those not fearing to give their testimonies on recording and on copies of email.  From what they actually witnessed.  That is Honesty on display.  While you only had "dishonesty" in sacrosanct from one side only.  The one side fighting.  They will always put themselves in a "good" light.   You don't know this?

Those I did actually contact way back were verifiable real people with real names, addresses, emails, phones, etc comfirmed independently from Johans nonsense. Up to and including his long suffering EX-WIFE. (Yeah, Johan, EX-WIFE). I drew a line there because that just would not be right.

You thinking you are "totally right".  But just giving the evidence that you asked only the one side of the Holy War.  And now you are running from the witnesses in the case.  You ever saw a judge running from "witnesses".  As I said already.  The evil spirit of "sacrosanct" has taken your mind to blur it.  As it always happens in all humans controlled by evil.

[zebo-the-fat]

No it's "Truth" with a capital "t" because to the deluded think their delusions are facts and more important than anything else.

And Joho, the staff do not have to justify their decisions to you.  And I'm not intending to get into a rule debate with an impertinent idiot.

You want to be a member here, obey the rules.  If you don't want to obey the rules, feel free to troll elsewhere.

We've had plenty of idiots who have come here with your attitude in the past.  They're no longer here.

Ok.  No evidence then.  Noted.  Because it is not just me that are eagerly awaiting the evidence. 

I am just your excuse for sidestepping the issue. 

Other forums as already excluded me being a troll.  I gave you the link of the Skeptics and I gave you Distorted View that has no links because of being ashamed of their "Distortions".  And @flakingnapstich   have to speak now on this discussion where he admitted that I am no troll in a Right View for a change.  Together of course with the other members of Distorted View.  So they are rather laughing at your "Distorted View" of me being a troll that needs "banning" for what I am saying. 

You are now saying the Skeptic Society and Distorted View made a mistake.  Well you have to proof their mistake. Not just to me.  To them and your members.   If you can not then you are the one with the mistake of course.  As it is standing now.  So we will rather conclude that it is the "Fire of God.  

Jeremiah 23
  Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

Now let us get back "on topic".  No use calling me an "idiot".  Trolling me?  Because you already lost that one.  You had to run to mommy laws for help.  Try to stay on topic.  And if you can not then be unselfish and give those that are interested there chance to see where this leads too. 

And just watch.  Or do something "better".

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None of that made a lick of sense.

I know.  It is God's stuff.  But with examples and you really into the examples it might help.  In Robertson even the "clergy" are now struggling for 20 years to understand.  While they are experiencing it every day.

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And if it did are we supposed to give a shit?

Don't say "we".  Some may want too.  Say you.

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I usually attempt to somewhat understand theistic craziness, but I just cannot seem to wrap my mind around what he’s doing with this thread or on this forum.

See this.  I am trying my best.  With examples.  But do try and phone or email those people I gave you.  And experience the Light of God in being able to record the messages and post it right here.  And we can discuss them.  That will be a good start.

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Ah yes, that old "truth" again.
Matey, everything is true in our head. As it is in yours. Fair enough?

Nope.  Not this time.  Just one thing.  Enjoy what I am giving you.  Enjoy the Joyride.  And see my "head" I am sharing with you.  Even if it is "delusional". 

But now there are some more heads to examine.  Daniel and Billy and Michael. 

Enjoy!

Just remember to be in The Light of God.  Bring those conversations here.  On recording or on "paper".  We want to enjoy them too.  As they also want to see what we enjoy to add to our enjoyment.  So unlike the "sacrosanct" of @Abaddon_ire

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I see nothing in the first post about what god sounded like, so try again. Does your god speak in a high pitch voice, or a low one, what accent does he have, was his voice loud or quiet. Give us some details not vague ramblings like a crazy person.

That does not mean it is not there.  So here you have another topic.  Try to stay on topic.

I'm sorry if a simple question is beyond your understanding, what must it be like to live in a mind as small as yours?
Go on, try harder and just answer the question!

[arewethereyet]

If you wear a pancake on your head and stand out in the rain when the moon is in the seventh house you too can claim you are a mother...something...and are in on all the secrets of the universe. It's one of the easiest ways to reach this exalted level of divinity.

Johams is just trying to lead the way.

[Johanabrahams]

Too late Kit. A man who babbles about war has already lost his mind!

That is off  topic.   We already spoke about this.  And you lost it.  You had to run to mommy laws to ban me because the "Fire of God" was too much for you. 

Jeremiah 23

 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

So don't try that again.  That is foolishness on display.   Stick to the topic. This time.   Stop "trolling".  Be obedient to mommy law.

If you can not be on topic then find a topic that you can be on.  Some are on topic and you have to give them their chance to be there without trying to get another ban.