Horses

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I don't know. Weight. Gravity. Pain incurred due to carrying someone.  These are quite empirical factors to assume that default for all animals is quite possibly not carrying weight and hang out on your own.

A 1200lb horse is a phenomenally strong beast. They are perfectly capable of either dislodging an unwanted rider or simply refusing to move.

As for your ‘default’:



Boru

[onlinebiker]

If the horse doesn't want to - it's not going to.


Ever hear the saying "stubborn as a mule"?

Guess which side of the family that comes from?


Hint - it's not depicted on Joe Biden's car rear bumper....

[vulcanlogician]

If the horse doesn't want to - it's not going to.

But the thing is, you "break" a horse so that is no longer a factor. At first, they are like that. But after so many strokes of the whip, they comply.

My family raised horses growing up, so (maybe) I have some insights here. Maybe not though.

At one level, working horses is an exploitative enterprise. No doubt about that.

But at another level, horses actually like to be ridden. And they even like to pull. So it's not like every time you make a horse pull a wagon or ride down a trail that you are abusing them. They enjoy themselves more than appearances suggest. 

But still (as I said before) the relationship is fundamentally exploitative. So there's that.

[Apollo]

I don't know. Weight. Gravity. Pain incurred due to carrying someone.  These are quite empirical factors to assume that default for all animals is quite possibly not carrying weight and hang out on your own.

A 1200lb horse is a phenomenally strong beast. They are perfectly capable of either dislodging an unwanted rider or simply refusing to move.

As for your ‘default’:



Boru

I think I already covered parent carrying offspring—it’s not the same relationship.

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If the horse doesn't want to - it's not going to.

But the thing is, you "break" a horse so that is no longer a factor. At first, they are like that. But after so many strokes of the whip, they comply.

My family raised horses growing up, so (maybe) I have some insights here. Maybe not though.

At one level, working horses is an exploitative enterprise. No doubt about that.

But at another level, horses actually like to be ridden. And they even like to pull. So it's not like every time you make a horse pull a wagon or ride down a trail that you are abusing them. They enjoy themselves more than appearances suggest. 

But still (as I said before) the relationship is fundamentally exploitative. So there's that.

Right. You don’t just go out in the wild and ride any horse—you break them first—which really conditioning their behavior according to our own will.

I have never seen any horse getting “broken “ but I am guessing they probably don’t look too pleased first time around.

[vulcanlogician]

Right. You don’t just go out in the wild and ride any horse—you break them first—which really conditioning their behavior according to our own will.

I have never seen any horse getting “broken “ but I am guessing they probably don’t look too pleased first time around.

It's not an extremely cruel affair. But it does involve a whip.

I imagine that some do it with more cruelty than others. My aunt used to break horses, but she was pretty empathic towards them too. She wanted to bond with the animal more than she wanted to control it.

A horse can have a very loving bond with a human. A bond based on trust and not fear. But you often establish the relationship with use of a whip. That's kinda fucked up. True. But there's more to the relationship than that one fucked up part.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If the horse doesn't want to - it's not going to.

But the thing is, you "break" a horse so that is no longer a factor. At first, they are like that. But after so many strokes of the whip, they comply.

My family raised horses growing up, so (maybe) I have some insights here. Maybe not though.

At one level, working horses is an exploitative enterprise. No doubt about that.

But at another level, horses actually like to be ridden. And they even like to pull. So it's not like every time you make a horse pull a wagon or ride down a trail that you are abusing them. They enjoy themselves more than appearances suggest. 

But still (as I said before) the relationship is fundamentally exploitative. So there's that.

I agree that it's an exploitative relationship, but I don't any way to get the horses to stop exploiting us.

Boru

[Mermaid]

If you go and stand in a field with unbroken horses, they will invariably come to you and interact with you.
They like people, just like dogs like people. They're basically a man-made species (again, like dogs) and were bred for this trait.

If you've ever gotten to know a horse, you would know that they can very much look forward to interacting with you and even going to work. And of course, there are exceptions, but for the most part, horses love to have a job, just like a lot of dogs.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If you go and stand in a field with unbroken horses, they will invariably come to you and interact with you.
They like people, just like dogs like people. They're basically a man-made species (again, like dogs) and were bred for this trait.

If you've ever gotten to know a horse, you would know that they can very much look forward to interacting with you and even going to work. And of course, there are exceptions, but for the most part, horses love to have a job, just like a lot of dogs.

*note to self: never go and stand in a field with unbroken horses*


Boru

[onlinebiker]

There is another name for wild horses..


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