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RE: What do you know today that you didn't know yesterday?
January 30, 2022 at 9:12 am
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Where to start?! That is the question.
Mostly learning about me in general. Tough to put into words. Not sure how to explicate it.
So, I am learning about myself a lot, then—on the daily. As hard as it is to articulate that.
I'm very very quick to admit that I struggle with others. But I'm certainly not claiming to be the quickest.
I see myself as the least social human being I've ever met. But I could be completely wrong about that.
Nevertheless, I've known mute and non-verbal people who still want to at least see me physically. I talk to others because they interest me. As awful as that might sound
I just hope to not hurt people.
So, yes, personal learnings.
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.
Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.
Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;
What is good is easy to get,
What is terrible is easy to endure
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RE: What do you know today that you didn't know yesterday?
January 30, 2022 at 12:53 pm
In 1932, while staying in Munich, Winston Churchill had a dinner date with Hitler, but Hitler stood him up. Imagine if Hitler showed up how many movies would be made about this meeting.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What do you know today that you didn't know yesterday?
January 30, 2022 at 9:32 pm
(January 30, 2022 at 12:53 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: In 1932, while staying in Munich, Winston Churchill had a dinner date with Hitler, but Hitler stood him up. Imagine if Hitler showed up how many movies would be made about this meeting.
Doubt any at all. But if it was made highly doubt it would be by anyone interested in historic accuracy.
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RE: What do you know today that you didn't know yesterday?
January 31, 2022 at 1:36 am
(January 30, 2022 at 9:32 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (January 30, 2022 at 12:53 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: In 1932, while staying in Munich, Winston Churchill had a dinner date with Hitler, but Hitler stood him up. Imagine if Hitler showed up how many movies would be made about this meeting.
Doubt any at all. But if it was made highly doubt it would be by anyone interested in historic accuracy.
Doubt?! Actually, there is already a mini-series about Churchill where he and Hitler are sitting in a hotel's restaurant but a few tables apart based on this event and is considered historically inaccurate.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What do you know today that you didn't know yesterday?
January 31, 2022 at 2:50 am
(January 31, 2022 at 1:36 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (January 30, 2022 at 9:32 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Doubt any at all. But if it was made highly doubt it would be by anyone interested in historic accuracy.
Doubt?! Actually, there is already a mini-series about Churchill where he and Hitler are sitting in a hotel's restaurant but a few tables apart based on this event and is considered historically inaccurate.
there is interest in representing it in film or TV precisely because it didn’t happen. if it did happen, there can only be the following scenarios:
1. churchill and hitler didn’t discuss anything interesting, which would be anticlimactic abs rather hurt churchill’s manufactured image of being the incisive observer and warner of threat of nazism and later communism
2. churchill said something that could cause embarrassment in view of what was to happen in a few years or in view of his manufactured image. in which case the story would not fit ordinary narrative
3. Hitler and churchill sparred abs fire works flew, in foreshadowing of what is to come. that is very unlikely. but it would fit a rousing narrative, this would fit the most probable story to be manufactured around a real event,
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RE: What do you know today that you didn't know yesterday?
January 31, 2022 at 4:02 am
It would have been interesting how different directors would portray the meeting: Ron Howard would make it look like two football coaches discussing the strategy before the match; Lucas would make it as Hitler shooting first, and Michael Bay would make it as if they already started the full-blown war in that restaurant with explosions.
But kidding aside, I guess what you are trying to say is that the meeting would have been too boring for a film, and you are correct. That's why it didn't happen. Hitler was a zombie who certainly could not hold any coherent discussion. He was just a bag of propaganda completely functioning on emotions. He certainly was not for discussing his ideology, it was "obey or die", and for "good" reason: it didn't hold up to logical analysis.
Even when he was the president he didn't meet with other statesmen. Like, he never met with Stalin.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What do you know today that you didn't know yesterday?
January 31, 2022 at 4:34 am
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That is quite untrue. Hitler was no zombie, especially during this period. He was a very well read with a very wide, if not necessarily very deep, range of knowledge. During tthe period on question, when his mental facilities were fully intact and at their peak, he certainly had the ability to discourse very persuasively and support his arguments powerfully and adroitly. He certainly met with many world leaders during his tenure as German chancellor. As audio recording of his diplomatic discussion with foreign heads of state showed, he was also quite capable of very smooth and charming persuasiveness. Popular image of hitler the scowling hysterical madman is too influenced by a combination of mere caricature, and the renowned apoplectic rage he exhibited towards the end when his faculties and mental flexibility has experienced a period of notable decline.
I think if the Churchill hitler dinner conversation did occur and the what and how of the discussion were to be recorded and portrayed accurately on film and television, it would be extremely disturbing because it would have to highlight just how similar Churchill the famed wordsmith on the one hand, and Hitler the spellbinding psychopath on the other, are in how they persuade.
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RE: What do you know today that you didn't know yesterday?
January 31, 2022 at 7:05 am
(January 31, 2022 at 4:34 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: He was a very well read with a very wide, if not necessarily very deep, range of knowledge.
I can hardly imagine that to be true because it takes just a little bit of thinking and a little bit of logic to see that any of his claims in the book "Mein Kampf" are all wrong. And it seems that his reading range didn't go beyond racist magazines of the time.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What do you know today that you didn't know yesterday?
January 31, 2022 at 10:43 am
On the contrary, minutes of his meetings shows he often discourse extensively and into considerable depth the historic context of the situations at hand or reasons for his decisions before those who will be tasked with implementing his decisions. Hitler the real person, and Hitler the caricature so reinforced with repetition that it seemed real, are quite different. Hitler the real person would seem considerably more disturbing precisely because most of the time not only does he fail to seem comically evil or historically insane, but seem quite reasonable, often eloquent, willing to compromise, learned, thoughtful, at times reflective, at other times hesitant and doubtful of his own judgement.
That, I think is why movies and TV finds it unpromising to protray Hitler accurately in circumstances where his behavior does not reinforce the popular caricature. Hitler on a dinner date with Churchill and not exploding into utensil throwing tantrum or ending with one or the other walking out in indignation or rage just would not seem real even if it was in fact the mostly scenario.
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RE: What do you know today that you didn't know yesterday?
February 4, 2022 at 1:45 am
The last woolly mammoths died out about 3,700 years ago. And apparently, they inbred themselves to death.
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